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How would Jesus vote in November?
Published 9:07am Wednesday, July 11, 2012I was disappointed with an article reprinted in the Albert Lea Tribune on June 24 regarding the issue of marriage between one man and one woman. This issue is important and will be addressed by vote in November. Our church, and I believe most other churches in our area feel the same way, that our state should only allow marriage between one man and one woman.
The “poll” referred to in the June 24 article was likely taken and supported by people who do not agree that marriage should be between one man and one woman and does not represent the cross-section of people in Minnesota.
People of Minnesota, do the right thing. Refer to your Bible and vote accordingly in November. Romans 1:26: “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise with passion for one another, committing shameful acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”
How would Jesus vote on this issue in November?
Do the right thing.
Roger M. Nelson
Albert Lea
The bible is not the ruling document in this country. Religion does not give you the right to force your beliefs on others. If you don’t agree with gay marriage, don’t get gay married. Don’t attend gay marriages. Don’t recognize the marriages of your gay peers. But you have no right to use your religion to deny rights to others. If you think the Bible gives you that right, then I’m sure you won’t object when the Jews outlaw bacon, and electricity on the Sabbath.
Hmmm interesting Lisa……”Religion does not give you the right to force your beliefs on others”
Then this applies as well Lisa “The lack there of” or the “non-belief of” Religion does not give you the right to force your beliefs on others as well.
I also find it ironic you mention the “ruling document in this country” a document that is seemly being shredded and trampled on by people in power for control over people, the document that shall not be named by Lisa is called the Constitution of the United States it’s not an À la carte document.
Either way Minnesotans will have a say this subject this election cycle along with voter I.D. as they should. It seems some liberal political extremists are worried it will not go their way. The liberal political extremists feel decisions like these should NOT be made by the people of Minnesota but some court like Iowa where a panel of judges ruled against the peoples will.
The Iowa people did have their say in the end they ousted the offending judges Chief Justice Marsha Ternus and justices David Baker and Michael Streit but only after the will of the people has been grievously violated.
People need to vote with their beliefs and convictions this election year these issues need to be decided by the people of Minnesota.
Something I saw recently that I think fits here well – you are free to own a gun. You are free to have a religion. You are not free to use your gun to take away the freedom of others. You are not free to use your religion to take away the freedom of others.
Yes, the ruling document of this country is the Constitution of the United States of America. And I do believe right at the beginning, in the Declaration of Independence, it says “All men are created equal.” Not “All men are created equal, as long as it agrees with the Bible.”
And something else you seem to be forgetting, Randy: The US is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic. Just because the majority agrees to something doesn’t make it right or just, and it doesn’t make it law.
“you are free to own a gun. You are free to have a religion. You are not free to use your gun to take away the freedom of others”
The word is HYPOCRISY the definition defined is…
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
You should be EQUALLY appalled and OUTRAGED when liberals use laws to restrict guns and even BAN them when the cause of the problem is the PERSON not the object, the act of making something more illegal than it was before does not work. If we look at Chicago and the District of Columbia they have trampled on the individuals rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights in the interest of “public safety” or the “greater good” ? Has the problems improved or have Americans lost freedoms?
These towns are cesspools of crime and violence because of individual actions of people not objects, they abuse the law by restricting the citizens rights and freedoms by imposing unconstitutional draconian laws.
Where is the outrage again when people are being compelled by federal law to violate their religious beliefs once again liberals are noticeably silent.
How can YOU sit by and let these injustices stand will YOU join me in taking action working to change theses injustices to OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS probably not.
All men and women are created equal that is true but some want to be MORE equal than others and that is where I have a problem.
“it is a democratic republic”
NOooo!!!!!…… It’s a Constitutional Republic. A democracy is more like mob rule I guess maybe you are right, we have degenerated down to mob rule right about now but the country was founded as a Constitutional Republic.
“Just because the majority agrees to something doesn’t make it right or just, and it doesn’t make it law”
Thank You Lisa for making my point!!!
I agree will you work to help get rid of “obamacare” the biggest wealth transfer in the history of America, where the federal government intrudes on my personal freedoms? Where unelected bureaucrats determine your well being? determine you care “if any” that you might receive.
It’s really strange that people with no experience of socialized medicine are all for it without know what it is all about.
Lisa will you help right the wrongs?.. *chrip* *chirp* *chirp*
Here is food for thought….
Thomas Jefferson: The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Alexander Hamilton: If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare… The powers of Congress would subvert the very foundation, the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America.
Words of Wisdom they were smarter back then than most “enlightened politicians” or “supposed constitutional scholars” today think about it.
Bacon Rules!!!
food for thought since Thomas Jefferson was brought into the discussion…
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law. — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth. — Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.
We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries. — Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. — Thomas Jefferson, to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
Our civil rights have no dependence upon our religious opinions more than our opinions in physics or geometry.
– Thomas Jefferson, Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. Papers, 2:545
An equal application of law to every condition of man is fundamental. — Thomas Jefferson, to George Hay, 1807. ME 11:341
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Archibald Stuart (1791)
The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. — Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
I know it will give great offense to the clergy, but the advocate of religious freedom is to expect neither peace nor forgiveness from them. — Thomas Jefferson, to Levi Lincoln, 1802. ME 10:305
[The] best principles [of our republic] secure to all its citizens a perfect equality of rights.
– Thomas Jefferson, Reply to the Citizens of Wilmington, 1809. ME 16:336
I believe Jesus would tell us to love one another. For those against helping one another… contributing to those less fortunate… making sure that the most vulnerable in our society are taken care of… providing basic needs such as food, shelter & medical care… Ask yourself, What would Jesus do? Jesus would be the biggest liberal among us. Would you cast him away & attack him?
Kelli… I would not assume or even make such and outlandish statement “Jesus would be the biggest liberal among us” I fail to see how anybody could even justify a statement like that, are you equating liberalism with being omnipotent? I don’t make the same conclusions as you.
One must look into one’s heart and and beliefs and vote your convictions or for some people lack of conviction, no more no less the issue will be decided by the people.
Randy… You’re right. You don’t make the same conclusions as me. But your conclusions are just that, YOUR conclusions. You can not prove to have all the answers anymore than I or anyone else can. I always look into my heart & my beliefs, and I will certainly vote with my convictions. By your statement, it appears that anyone who does not agree with you must then lack conviction. It is one thing to disagree with someone. It’s another to put down others because their beliefs do not mirror yours.
In my experience, strong conservatives are those who oppose programs to help others. Liberals are more interested in society as a whole & helping those in need & less fortunate. In that sense, which category does “your Jesus” fall into? The Jesus I know would be opening his heart & helping all those in need.
See kelli maybe I did underestimate you at first my bad, but people like you remind me of this statement:
The issue is not the issue it’s the revolution.
It’s all about the revolution isn’t it? This is an issue used to assault traditional values and morals this is used to break down the family this is part of the agent of change isn’t it. This was successfully done by edict to the military to make the abnormal the norm, now the war is waged in the state. After the destruction of traditional values then the void is filled by an “approved source” namely “big government socialism”
Antonio Gramsci would be proud his influence lives even today.
“In the life of children there are two very clear-cut phases, before and after puberty. Before puberty the child’s personality has not yet formed and it is easier to guide its life and make it acquire specific habits of order, discipline, and work: after puberty the personality develops impetuously and all extraneous intervention becomes odious, tyrannical, insufferable.
Now it so happens that parents feel the responsibility towards their children precisely during this second period, when it is too late: then of course the stick and violence enter the scene and yield very few results indeed. Why not instead take an interest in the child during the first period?”
Sound familiar? it should.
“people like me” ?? Do you know me? I think not.
My point of view is not about any “revolution” or power. I have not launched an assault on values & morals. Please don’t insult me by assuming to know who I am & grouping me into some radical stereotype you’ve created in your mind.
You seriously assert that I am attempting to break down the family unit? You couldn’t be further from the truth.
No your words do not sound familiar, nor do they ring true.
Do you know when I take interest & feel a responsibility towards my children… from the moment they are born & forever & always. There is no greater responsibility than raising a child, and nothing greater have I ever loved & cared about.
I am extremely passionate about children & believe in nurturing them, protecting them, allowing their spirit to grow, teaching them & guiding them towards being a loving, understanding, responsible adult.
I value love & compassion. I value treating others as I want to be treated. I value empathy. The world could use more love & less hate. The world needs people to come together to love, help & accept one another.
I think many people are afraid that if we accept people who are gay that it will be contagious. Accepting someone for being gay is not going to change another person’s sexuality. We are born with our sexual orientation. It isn’t a choice. It shouldn’t make someone less worthy, nor does someone’s sexual orientation/identity destroy our society. In my opinion that is very paranoid thinking.