Charges filed in Good Sam case

Posted by amyzone (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This whole thing makes me sick!!!!! These girls must not have anyone that they love in a nursing home and if they do I pray God is watching over their loved ones and no one like them are taking care of them. What in the world could possibly make someone do this? The decision to put a loved one in a nursing home is agonizing. People should never have to worry about their loved ones being abused. It's bad enough you have to worry that your loved one might be the abuser, let alone the abused. People with dementia (which is what senility is as well as altzeimers) don't have the control that they used too. My brother lives at St. Johns and I am so glad!!! No member of my family will ever go to Good Samaritan if I have anything to say about it. I don't know how you can do a backround check on the young people appying for these jobs but there must be some kind of psychological test or something to determine whether or not people should be working in this kind of profession. My heart goes out to the families of all the victims. I pray that all the folks at Good Sams are now safe!!!

Posted by alhsgrad90 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is sad that I had to go to 92KQRS to see the photos before the Al Trib had them. Way to go AL Trib for keeping the people of this town informed.

Posted by amyzone (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for telling me. I went to the site which led me to KSTP channel 5 out of the cities. Craig Nelson is quoted as saying "most likely will face suspended jail sentences and probation, so they'd have the threat of jail hanging over them if they get in more trouble," .
Mr. Nelson, what is wrong with you? Your own parents are at the age where they could end up as one of these girls victims. Do you have to wait until they do it again before they pay? Some cases are 1 strike your out. Not 3.

Posted by ccvilla (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

that is juss terrible. and they are only facing 1 yr. people get more than that for having a dirty u.a. , and they are only hurting themselves. but you get maybe a yr for doing this to other elderly vulnerable adults. no favoritism there

Posted by advocate (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea...

Posted by amyzone (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One more thing and then I will be done. If anyone would like to read more about this than the AL Tribune is willing to tell, Please go to http://www.startribune.com/local/3533663...
Just cut and paste into your browser bar.

Posted by collegegal12 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is just disgusting and it makes me sick to my stomach to know that I went to school with these girls. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could do such a thing like this.

Posted by govikes (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If found guilty, "they most likely will face suspended jail sentences and probation, so they'd have the threat of jail hanging over them if they get in more trouble," said Freeborn County Attorney Craig Nelson, who filed the charges Monday" (If this is the case Craig Nelson should be fired immediately)

Posted by justicedog (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These girls should be delt with in the fashion of how they treated the residence of the Nursing home. It wouldn't be so funny then. But, then again Ms. Broitzman would probably enjoy that kind of attention.

Posted by borninMNnowinTX (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I cant believe this, I heard this on a local radio station down here in Austin TX. What were they thinking. I am sooo glad that my Gram is no longer there! Although she probably would have beat them with her cane! I hope they get the book thrown at them!!!

Posted by OldTrojan (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It makes absolutley no sense to me as to why the administration at this facility did not know about these incidents much, much earlier than they did. Given the number of incidents, serverity of incidents, and the number of victims it is unfathomable that a stop to the alleged abuse did not happen much earlier than it did. In addition, it was not just one person who was carrying out the alleged abuse. It was multiple employees of the nursing home that were allegedly abusing! How did that go un-noticed? If the allegations prove true the label of sexual predator should be applied to those found to be guilty. Is ALHS, community churches, and local parents teaching young people anything about normal, healthy sex? How long will it be until Albert Lea's name is no longer tarnished by this story?

Posted by nutrient (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading what these girls have done to these innocent residents makes me sick. If and when they go to jail/prison, i hope what comes around goes around.

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If thess were males-they would've been in jail/prison already-but these girls are getting special treatment....how is it 5th degree assault when it's CLEARLY premeditated. They exploited these people with their pics and videos! Hopefully they didn't babysit children-they are vulnerable as well. Sick-o's!

Posted by mel (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This made me so sick! I have been a nursing assistant for 10 years now and its people like these girls who give us all a bad name. I hope they get the max that they are able to be given and karma. How could you treat someone else's family member like that really? I have always treated residents like they were my family. My heart goes out to the residents who were abused in this process by these very sick girls and to their families who are im sure now trying to pick up the pieces. I hope these girls rot in jail!!!

Posted by sandy_c (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The potential punishment(s) don't seem to fit the crimes. Doesn't abuse of a dependent adult also constitute a federal crime? These actions are beyond cruel; where is the justice in this country? The suffering withstood by these defenseless elders and their families so far outweighs the potential punishment for the perpetrators...where is the justice?

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsuck...are you freaking kidding me!! Why on earth are you trying to protect the alleged abusers in this case? They may be minors but they committed an adult crime and therefore need to suffer the embarassment and humiliation that their helpless victims suffered. I'm sorry but I fail to see where these individuals should be protected. They were getting paid to protect our elderly and failed to do that so why should they be protected. The Tribune owes an apology to NOBODY!! The apologies need to go to the victims and the families that entrusted their loved ones to the care of the staff at Good Sams. Law suit. That's funny.

Posted by speakup (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHEN the ball is dropped on this one, the public servants responsible should do the right thing and resign. Albert Lea and Freeborn deserve better than what is and has been delivered on our behalf.

Posted by rlwr51 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why are there no criminal sexual conduct charges? Why shouldn't they be faced with registering as sex offenders? This type of thing NEEDS to be on their record. They have about 40 years of potential emplyment left. The public needs to be assured that they will never be eligible to work with vulnerable people ever again. If these were males this would be the case(I am not a man). Gender equality means gender equality.

Posted by speakup (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am so glad this case is finally getting the national attention it deserves. Maybe our local government will feel compelled to do the right thing when the whole country will be watching. Shameful it has to come to that!

Posted by speakup (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsuck who has been violated?

Posted by speakup (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't recall seeing the names of any minors. All grown up!!!

Posted by litang05 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What's the minimum age for admittance? Where do I sign up?

Posted by wingo (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They should be tried as adults. The job they were doing clearly states the responsiblities they had, if a juvenile can do an adult job then they should be prosecuted as an adult. How many other cases have you seen in the news where the juveniles were charged as adults, and not just for murders either.

Posted by mrthunder (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what ever happened to inanest until proven guilty. sure glad i don't live in a communist country where you are guilt first

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsuck...Wow!! resorting to name calling. Thanks for displaying your level of intelligence to everyone. All I can say is that your day come when you need care. I hope that you have the intitals of these individuals so that you can call on them to take care of you.

Posted by joshe (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is beyond belief that these women aren't all being charged as adults with serious felony charges. A year in jail?! They should all spend a minimum of 15 years, in a state penitentiary in general population, with other vicious criminals like them. They should be placed on the National Sex Offender Registry for life. They deserve no mercy, no forgiveness, and no compassion.

If they were male, they would be treated as such and deservedly so.

I was abused by a girl when I was a kid. She got off easy because she was a she. Its time to stop treating women and girls as though they have less control over their actions as men. Start holding female monsters to the same standards as their male counterparts.

Honestly, if it was up to me I'd have them all shot. Why should the taxpayers be forced to feed and clothe these sadistic psychopaths? What do they bring to the world besides misery and pain?

Posted by demo1960 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I guess the rumors were true. One of the girl's parent has been a long-time employee of Good Sam's. Some of her other children have worked there as well. Not everyone is cut out the that kind of work so I would hope that we don't have parents pressuring their kids into working in that capacity just because they need a job and Mom works there so they are more inclined to hire family. Which is the Good Sam way. Very attractive girls in the pictures. I hope people understand now it is not the package a person comes in. But I also have to wonder if these girls would have been males or of a different race they would have been charged a long time ago. These girls - if convicted - better have to register as sexual offenders. I might end up in a nursing home some day and I sure don't want them caring for me.

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr thunder....
THEY ADMITTED IT !!!!!!! WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?!?!?!?!?!?! IT'S NOT US SAYING THEIR GUILTY-IT'S THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Wildbill (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These comments remind of the stories of the old west. I do not know the girls and have not heard any specifics of the case, but there is a court system. In America you or presumed inncent until proven guilty by a court of law.

Posted by FreeBorn (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OldTrojan, You can't blame Good Sam for this, these girls worked as a tag team with the observing teen watching for any unexpected traffic. They knew their victims couldn't defend themselves...think about how the priests victimized the children of their congregations for years without the congregation knowing...perpetrators of children and vulnerable adults are rarely caught...Good Sam goes over and beyond when screening and training employees-they fired the minor teen for swearing in front of a resident-what does that tell you about their rules/values! perpetrators are successful because they know they need to present themselves as 'normal' people. This is not about Good Sam's failure to catch these perps...it's about predators finding their victims!

Posted by justwrong (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What these girls did was just wrong. I would like to know if there was any VA information about who to tell if they see abuse in their training. This is just wrong and I can not imagine why anyone would think this is "fun."
After reading some comments one of these girls involved in the case said she obviously does not think she did anything wrong! She just feels bad she got caught!
Unfortountly in our society, people can get away with just a "slap on the wrist." They knew what they were doing when they were doing it, full punishment is what they deserve.

Posted by bobbennett1 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why isn't Miss Larson charged with rape? She alledgedly commited an act of penetration, and any man would be charged if the roles were reversed.

Posted by bobbennett1 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wildbill, the courts presume innocence but I am not required to. If someone admits they did something, why would I pretend they are innocent until they are convicted.

Posted by iamwoman (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey souixsuck, you seem to have some guilty feelings, ever live in AL recently!!! I guess the name says it all!

Posted by joshe (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bobbennett1, the courts hold female offenders to a lower standard.

Bluntly put, women turn on the waterworks and get away with it.

Hopefully fate will do to these women what the justice system lacks the balls to do.

Posted by Minniepede (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't show an ounce of mercy to these little animals. Threaten them with jail? Lock them up now, then let a criminal record that documents their cruelty to vulnerable human beings follow them for the rest of their lives.

Let's not let their "Mean Girl" behavior get them out of this one--give them the full force of the punishment they rightfully deserve.

Posted by bobbennett1 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"..threat of jail hanging over them." ???? Why not "registered sex offender"? I really wouldn't care if they got a suspended sentence if they were required to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.

Posted by advocate (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Check out the smoking gun link. It has a record of the police records.

Posted by joshe (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem with America:

Drug possession: a felony.
Elder abuse: a misdemeanor

I think that says it all.

Posted by dede (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And how many of them are currently in Nursing school? They should NEVER be allowed to care for people again and they should do jail time, people drinking and driving or getting caught with Drugs get a stiffer sentence than that. God be with the residents and their families who have had to endure this nightmare and God help us all if people can commit acts like that and get off with probation.
Craig Nelson your in the wrong profession.

Posted by outoftowner (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some things to ask: After these girls are convicted and will get the slap on their wrist, which the county attorney has basically said they will, will they be considered sex offenders? Will they have to register as such and let communities know when they’re moving to town? I hope so. Will they be denied any type of job—CNA, LPN, RN, etc.--working with the vulnerable (adults or children) in any capacity. I hope so. These are the things I’m thinking about. Especially when in a past post someone said one of these girls was in nursing school—ARE YOU KIDDING ME? And, like some of you have said, if these young women were men, they would definitely be doing time, probably be charged with rape, and would be registered as sex offenders. These women should not get special treatment. They blatantly knew what they were doing, they said so, and they should be punished to the fullest extent--no exceptions.

Posted by happygirl (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am familiar with the last names of these girls... I believe that they are GUILTY!! It does not surprise me in the least that they did this. How sick!! And....How old are we girls?? Grow up!!

Posted by justicedog (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, at least 1 of these girls is going to school to be a nurse. What a waste of mommy's and daddy's money. Give them what they deserve.

Posted by amyzone (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where does it say that one of these girls is in nursing school?

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are people that know these girls and went to school with them, so they knew what their plans were after high school....

Posted by demo1960 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:10 p.m.

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Posted by holycow (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Penthouse,
I never thought this would happen to me...

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we should protest....

Posted by demo1960 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I noticed Bob Kindler was one of the detectives working on the case. Last I knew his wife worked at Good Sam's or used to. Does that represent a problem?

Posted by myresort (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think they should be registered as sexual predators. Also brings up the idea that they should never work with anyone who would be a vulnerable person, meaning children, teenagers and older adults.

Posted by citizen07 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It doesn't surprise me that one is in nursing school. An article a week or so ago was about 3 of the girls fighting the state so they could work in the healthcare field.

Even if they get a light sentence, at least they still have the public humiliation to deal with, this is all over the news so the stories alone will have a huge negative impact on their lives.

People think I am crazy for wanting to be an RN in a nursing home, but this is the reason why! The eldery deserve so much better.

Posted by observer (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is beyond tragic and unfortunately, our county attorney is sending a very bad message to the country (this has become national). Message: Do the crime, don't worry you won't do the time, we will slap your wrist and give you probation. What part of sticking her finger were the sun don't shine is not considered breaking a sexual law? Very very sad, not a proud day for Albert Lea and this one will stick with us for a while.

Posted by alhsgrad90 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:45 p.m.

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Posted by rlwr51 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone contacted the Minnesota Attorney General, Lori Swanson? 651-296-3353 or 1-800-657-3787

Posted by observer (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has there been a court date set yet, after charges were filed? Or did Nelson know before charges that this will never make it to a court room?

Posted by justmealmn (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If found guilty, "they most likely will face suspended jail sentences and probation, so they'd have the threat of jail hanging over them if they get in more trouble," said Freeborn County Attorney Craig Nelson. For him to say this already...you know thats all their going to get too. Its like lots of others have said already that they should get the same treatment as IF they were males doing those samethings to those adults. So I guess time well tell what will happen with it actually goes to court. I feel sorry for the parents of these kids to know just who they have living under their roof. To actually do this type of thing and then to the ones NOT to have reported it right away like they were trained when first hired.

Posted by headscratcher (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think as a society we have always favored the ones "with the looks". Yeah they get caught doing something but as they are growing up too many people say "awe but she's so cute" then turn the other way. These girls have probably never had to fully carry out any discipline in their lives. The sad thing they probably won't now either.

Posted by outoftowner (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, alhsgrad90, I haven’t followed the Northfield case recently, but the county attorney on that case asked that the court consider the 16-year-old girl to be an adult in relation to the assaults, as she should be. Because of her idiotic and malicious lie, this handicapped man was severely beaten by at least two members of the MN Nation Guard--how shameful.

If a person is mature enough to be hired on to take care of VAs, then they should be mature enough to suffer the consequences of their actions. It disgusts me to know these women are fighting for and might have the chance to work in the health care field. That’s why it’s especially important that they are listed as sex offenders so this would not be a possibility. I hope you’re reading this Mr. Nelson.

Posted by dede (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nelson knows the people-- probably personally- and should not be allowed to be involved with the case. He can't be byass, he said it himself when he wanted the higher up's to prosecute. Sad Sad Sad

Posted by albertlea1 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Install cameras in every room and hallway.

Posted by iamwoman (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

albertlea1 good thought, but what about patient privacy? They have already had there homes taken away and just have this little room sometimes sharing with a roommate. As much as I want my relatives protected, I want them to have some privacy and dignity also.

Posted by iamwoman (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:29 p.m.

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Posted by badjuju (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do's everyone see sex offenders here, all but Craig Nelson. You can bet your sweet backside that if a man did this crime, he might be out of jail too, but it would be because he had to post bail. I read one comment that said Good Sam is not to blame for what their little perv employees were doing, what a crock of crap that is. If thats the case then they should get rid any supervisors they have because they have no idea whats going on right under there noses.

Posted by outoftowner (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, technology is amazing these days. Why not have all health care providers carry a "nannycam" attached to a pen, pin, etc., so that while the patient/resident is being cared for there is also someone watching the care provider?

Posted by FLY (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Regarding the Northfield case of the 16 year old who was involved with torturing a vulnerable person, she was given a 96 month stayed sentence. The older males involved haven't been sentenced yet. Details here:

http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewS...

I'm from Northfield and in addition to the torture case, we've had a cluster of heroin deaths and alleged misconduct by the mayor and possibly others.

I feel bad for Albert Lea. Your town's name is all over the internet now, on smokinggun etc. I'm sure that these six sadistic subhuman creeps are not a reflection of your town as a whole, just as the wrong doers in Northfield don't represent the whole town. I hope the newspaper and town as a whole can find some positive things youth are doing, and focus on them.

I have no sympathy for Broitman and Larson. The others should have their names publicized too. How awful that so many young people would engage in this behavior, and worse yet, think it is funny.

Posted by OldTrojan (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FreeBorn I believe that you are way off base in your perspective. Good Sam's is a business. The priesthood is not. People pay for care in a nursing home. Folks are not required to pay to go to church. When this business takes in residents it does so with the good faith of resident and their family that it will be a safe and non-hostile environment. Clearly, according to the allegations, this business did not uphold their end of the bargain. If they did not know that the alleged incidents were happening right under their noses they should have. Again, this was not a one-time event. This was not one person doing one or a few dirty deeds. There is alleged to be mutliple employees involved in mutiple sex acts with multiple vulnerable victims. Yes, the administration at Good Sam's is at fault for allowing and fostering an unfair and unsafe environment for its residents. They have managed their business very, very poorly and should have to pay a penalty for doing so.

Posted by dj8887 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone is right! I just can not believe what we have been reading lately. I have been reading several websites with these girls names and photos plastered on them. I wondered if ABC or any of the other national news station would catch wind of this story. Also read the complaint reports at www.startribune.com. Read it several times and the many times you read it, your picturing these SICKO'S doing these sick acts to someone you know personally. It just makes you upset that any of them would get away without spending time in jail. I had a relative in that facilities a few years back and i am so glad they are no longer affliated with that place. And yes a mother to one of the under age individuals works there and I can truly say that she isn't to highly cared for. Another thing while reading the reports, it makes me upset that these individuals knew they were doing wrong, but continued to do the terrible things they did. "Honor thy Mother and Father" means elderly also. A "Mortal Sin" means a felony.

Posted by jojo (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see the story made it on the FOX news site.

Posted by wingo (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The saddest part about this whole thing are the victims and their families. I don't know what our world has come to that animal abusers get more punishment than someone who abuses our children and our elderly. I'm not saying that they are guilty without a trial, but by the sounds of Nelson and other things they probably will get off. SHAME on our court systems if they are guilty and get a way with it.

Posted by citizen07 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Using cameras to keep an eye on CNA's isn't going to happen. Privacy is a huge issue in nursing homes. There was a case in WI where CNA's thought a husband was raping his comatose wife. The cops set up a camera and found out he was doing just that. However, they couldn't use it as proof because it was an invasion of privacy (the husband had a right to privacy with his wife).

This case has brought awareness to what can happen and you can bet nursing homes will do a lot more training on mandatory reporting.

Posted by flowergirl (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow is all i keep thinking after reading about these nasty girls... I am a graduate of Albert Lea High School and went to school with all of these girls. i can not believe what a terrible thing they have done. It is down right disturbing! I feel so terrible for all of those innocent residents at good samaritan. i keep thinking about all of their families and can not even imagine if it was one of my family members being treated like this. Interesting enough, all of these girls have facebook but have recently deleted their accounts... hmm guess they couldn't handle dealing with this terrible crime they have committed! A few girls however have kept their facebooks and are saying they are innocent and everyone should get their facts straight. this is so humorous to me because they admitted what they did but claim they are not guilty! I hope they get what is coming for them and not just a slap on the wrist because they deserve it!

Posted by mama03 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I, for one, am glad they published the names of these girls and hope the Tribune is ABLE to find the names of the others!! Unfortunately for me, I was shocked to learn that one of the girls named has babysat for me on several occasions!! Who knows what they have done with innocent children?!?! Anytime this type of sexual abuse takes place, they should be listed as sexual offenders!!

Posted by 57boy (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 6:02 p.m.

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Posted by govikes (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does this mean the media cannot publish your child's name?

No, it does not. Juvenile court hearings are open to the public unless closed by the court. The press is free to publish any information gathered at a public hearing. Minnesota law also permits the police to release the name and address of a child 16 years of age or older who has been arrested for a felony.

Posted by Fiona (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This story is not national it's international. I'm from Australia and was wondering why we no longer have stocks. A bit of public attention and return of the treatment they have forced onto others could do these girls a service. Whack 'em is stocks and see how they feel having things stuck where the sun don't shine!!!!

Posted by coexist (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it is important to examine Good Sam's role in this unfortunate and sickening situation. Yes, GS hired these girls, however the facility is not responsible for the actions of these disturbed young women. The unsetteling reality is that this could have occured at any nursing facility - it just so happens that it was Good Sam. In actuality it could be happening at any given nursing home in Albert Lea or elsewhere at this very moment. There are many very competent and caring individuals that work at Good Sam, who are just as upset by this event as the rest of the public. My family has a relative at the facility and I am completely comfortable knowing that he is in just as good of hands there, as he would be at any other nursing home. Any health care facility is capable of hiring "bad" employees, as unfortunate as that is!
Also, I feel it is important to remember that not all of the girls charged participated in the abuse of the residents. Some are being charged with failure to report as mandated reporters. And although not reporting is not right, I do not feel those girls should be treated with the same contempt as those that perpetrated these horrible crimes. They were teenage girls caught in a very uncomfortable situation and were obviously not able to deal with it appropriately; however they did not physically, emotionally, or sexually abuse those under their care. Those that did should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest!
Please keep this in mind when forming your opinions about Good Sam, as well as the girls that are being charged with not reporting.

Posted by MKMpls (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm in Minneapolis, and just saw this story on the news. My mother had Alzheimer's and passed in April 08, and thankfully was in a nursing home for just a week before she died, but it was an unhappy week. The visceral effect of this news story on me can be summed up as follows: give me 15 min. with each of those girls, though that is not what I really call them, especially the cutesy Brianna, and each would look forward to prison. I am a small framed 58 year old female, but make no mistake about it, guaranteed those smiles would forever be eliminated and they would not look so cute any more. To the local justice system: Do NOT give these creatures ANY slack. There is no room for any misplaced sympathy for these [expletives.]

Posted by FLY (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These sadists put Albert Lea on the front page of the most highly viewed sites on the internet:

http://drudgereport.com/

Posted by terriw (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 7:30 p.m.

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Posted by stewie (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone ever hear "Just not lest ye be judged"? I don't condone what happened by any means. I just don't think the threats of violence are warranted.

Some of these girls are being charged for not reporting. Ok, so they report and are still being charged for not reporting. Kind of a catch 22, wouldn't you say?

Posted by Dealer (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

These folks are a good representation of the citizens of Minnesota. Those that elected a porn writer to be a US senator.

Not to mention being the only state in the nation with the state being the number one employer. Gogo socialism!

Posted by blueboy (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just need to say that it is true that abuse can happen anywhere and you are mistaken if you think that the administration needs to resign. They have went through a roller coaster ride from hell. MANY employees went home crying for many nights!!! For the people that think administration should have known, hasn't there ever been a time in your life that you have been shocked about something you have been told and can't believe you didn't know about? I mean think about what you are saying. These girls were very good at what they were doing. They knew how to watch out for each other. These are not stupid girls at all. Good Sam is a good place with very caring staff. There are background checks but if you've never been in trouble for these crimes before a background check does no good. I don't think the whole facility needs to be punished for what these girls did.

Posted by Wildbill (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm amazed how many people from around the country read this website and comment on what's happening in Albert Lea.

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dealer-
So you are passing judgement on me as a Minnesota citizen? I am a full time LPN, full time RN student, full time mom and wife who is honest, smart and accountable.......so how are they representing me?!? It really offends me but that obviously what you set out to do.....

Posted by rlwr51 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I could be wrong, but they seem like spoiled little rich girls who have never had to pay for the consequeses of their actions, with parents who contiually make exceptions and excuses for them. The thing about that is the longer you go with out having to pay, the higher the price. In other words the older you are when you figure out that the world doesn't revolve around you, the harder the fall. It's time for the fall, more importently, society needs to be protected from them by ensuring that they never have access to vulnerable people of any kind. I wonder if their parents are planning to have them take care of them in their old age? This is making world news because it is a most diabolical, heinus and cruel crime that most prison inmates would be incapable of.

Posted by Gladys (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will not send my parent to any Good Samaritan facility.

The management is utterly incompetent and desperately needs to be fired.

Until Good Samaritan stops covering up for incompetence they do not deserve your faith and trust.

I don't want to hear how all the ladies of Good Samaritan were crying after work and how badly they felt.

I don't care if they feel bad. They are incompetent and need to be replaced.

The entire management needs to be replaced.

And until they are, no one should trust any Good Samaritan facility.

Believe me, they will be crying and feeling bad all over again when it happens to your parents in five years time.

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder what these girls' grandparents think....

Posted by free2bme (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I cannot believe that there are still people out there that think Good Sam Administration should be held liable. As soon as they heard about it they started an investigation. Like FreeBorn said that would be like blaming the congregation of the catholic church for letting priests molest innocent children. As for AmyZone, I hope you are installing a camcorder in your brothers room and the shower rooms and all the hallways, bathrooms, dining room, and anywhere else that your brother may be. Abuse can happen anywhere and that could include another nursing home in our area. My hope is that because of this becoming public people will open up their eyes and get more involved. Good Sam is not a "bad" place, it just happened to have some "bad" employees that thought they were above the law. Keep the facts straight. There are some wonderful caring trustworthy employees there, that are hurt, disappointed and embarrassed over this. How would you feel if your co-worker was accused of something so dirty and ugly as this and you had no idea it was going on. Let's keep the families out of this. Can you imagine how aweful it is for a mother, father, grandmother, grandfather to read about the disgusting things their relative did. Not only that but for the victims family....to have to rehash this over and over. I totally believe that these girls should be punished fully, but lets not start blaming the parents. Not all children grow up the way we would want them to. I don't know the parents but I can't believe that their hearts are not broken by the actions of their children.

Posted by free2bme (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gladys, you must be a disgruntled ex-employee of Good Sam.

Posted by swimchick6 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I read all of the posts and find it very interesting what people think. I would just like to clear up a few things that I read. I worked at Good Sam for a few years before moving away for college. I was 15 or 16 at the time I started, so I am proof that young people can wok there and be responsible and caring. I couldn't imagine doing any of these horrible things to any of the residents, and it made me sick reading about what they did knowing that I took care of many of those same people. One person asked about having training for reporting, which they do during their orientation. They talk quite a bit about vulnerable adults and mandatory reporting of any abuse, so this should not be an excuse for the girls who didn't report it. I would also like to stress that Good Sam should not be looked down on for this unfortunate event. Anyone who has worked in healthcare knows that privacy is very important in the care we give. Because of this, the girls were able to hide what they were doing for as long as they did. If it was contained in their little circle, then none of the other employees would know what was going on, since all of the abuse would have occurred behind closed doors. Everyone who works at Good Sam is just as disgusted as all of you about this, so they should not have to deal with people making comments about the facility just because of these girls' actions. I think they should have to be registered as sex offenders and should never be allowed to work in the care of others. I know that most applications for these positions asks about any charges that have brought against the applicant, so hopefully they will be denied any jobs regardless of having to register or not. I just hope people can realize that Good Sam is not at fault for this, nobody there had any way of knowing what was going on due to the nature of the job. They did everything right once the abuse was discovered, so think about it a little bit before automatically assuming the facility is a dangerous place now. They still provide quality loving care, and will continue to do so.

Posted by OldTrojan (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are no posts here that state any or all of the employees at Good Sams are bad people. I am sure that there are many great employees at this nursing home. There are posts here, some by me, that believe the administration at this nursing home managed their business very, very poorly. Bad apples can be hired at any business without management knowing until it is too late. However, again, this is a case whereby multiple bad apples were obviously hired who on several instances sexually abused multiple vulnerable residents. How can the administration not be at fault for allowing this to happen? It was not an isolated incident involving only one employee. Wow! It is obvious to me that this business has been very, very poorly managed. It is sad that the mismanagement is making employees distraught. The good employees are victims too of their poor administration.

Posted by dj8887 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As I mentioned before please read the COMPLAINT REPORTS on these SICK individuals. They had been doing sick things to the residents on several occassions. They didn't just do it once, THEY DID SEVERAL TIMES AND GOT A LAUGH OUT OF IT!!!!!!! We are all mandated reporters whether at work or in the public and the sickos that are not being named in the paper or probably not being charged with any crime, SHOULD BE CHARGED ALSO! They knew what was going on, they talked about it with the abusers on several occassions and they laughed about it and they also had videos on their cell phones. It is just plain wrong! Who ever mentioned the "Mean Girls" title earlier is got that right about these individuals.

Posted by SRO (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 10:04 p.m.

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Posted by goodcarma (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All of the charges listed on the complaint are only gross misdemeanors and misdemeanors. From my experience and observations, they will plead to one, maybe two, of the charges and the remainder will be dismissed. If the girls' attorneys are worth their salt, they will not want to go to trial. Nelson will not insist on a trial just to throw the book at them.

If, by chance, they do go to trial and are found guilty on all counts, the sentences will most likely be concurrent rather than consecutive.

The judge is bound by the sentencing guidelines, which means unless there are aggravating factors, they will be sentenced to no more than 1 year. Any time served will be in the county jail, not prison. That will most likely be stayed, and they will be on probation.

Nelson's threat that they will have jail hanging over their head if they get into trouble again is an empty one. Getting thrown in jail for violating probation takes a pretty serious violation.

If your kid misbehaves, you don't threaten them with punishment - you punish them. Threat of punishment is meant to deter future bad behavior. It should not be in response to bad behavior.

They were not charged with criminal sexual conduct (a felony) so they will not go to prison. Although the charge of abuse w/sexual contact might require them to register as predatory offenders, unless they serve more than 1 year they will not receive a level.

I'm not being sacastic or negative, just how I've seen things work.

As far as Stewie's comment, it only appears that one girl reported - the one who was originally in trouble. Fessing up while being questioned does not qualify as "reporting". It seems any of these girls had plenty of opportunity to report before becoming the target of the investigation.

Posted by tp2012 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What these girls did is unacceptable and unforgivable. Out of respect to the victims, their families, and anyone who has a loved one in a nursing home, these girls need to be given the MAXIMUM punishment. Anything else is simply not good enough.

Also, we deserve to know the names of the so-called "minors" who also committed these sick and twisted acts. They are just as guilty as Broitzman and Larson, AND were perfectly capable of knowing better, after all, they were 17, not 7. Try them as adults!

Posted by observer (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is how one of the power house web new sites views Freeborn counties finest:
The Weekly Vice Opinion:

"Well, we're going to stop the report right there. If the prosecutor filing the charges can't see these teens serving any jail time - or paying any substantial fine - then what's the point? Mr. Prosecutor, this wobbly kneed approach wouldn't have anything to do with the photos above would it?

Had these two girls been haggard old trolls with moles on their eyelids and a few teeth missing, we suspect you'd be more motivated to send a clearer message.

While we suspect the prosecutor sees this all as giggly-girl fun, we don't quite view it that way. Good God, fingers up a seniors rectum? Come on dude, grow a pair.

Thus far we have the names and some of the MySpace profiles of a few of the juveniles involved. We're going to withhold that information for now - considering a director or manager should have gotten their fat ass off a chair and paid closer attention to what was going on in that facility.

Great management, Good Samaritan. You certainly fail.

Danny Vice
The Weekly Vice
http://www.theweeklyvice.com[/QUOTE] "

Great ad campaign we have going for us huh, come to Albert Lea, we will give a job sticking fingers were the sun don't shine, and let you get away with it. Better yet lets invite all the sexual preditors here and put em to work. Maybe the extra income from their taxes will pay for Nelson's raise.

Posted by ccvilla (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I might be mistaken but i thought i read in one of the earlier stories that the prosecutor knew some of the families of the girls and the victims. That there should be reason why he shouldn't be involved in this case at all.

Posted by masamba (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:27 p.m.

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Posted by SRO (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

masamba, seems your just as sick as the ones who have mistreated the elderly.

Posted by masamba (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way, where the hell is Albert Lea?

Posted by mrhappy14 (anonymous) on December 2, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Demo1960, you were very correct in your post about Mr. Nelson not doing his job and yes the citizens of Freeborn County should be outraged by his lack of commitment to his employer. Rest assured this case will not go to trial and will end in a plea. A favorable plea for the suspects and the victims with their families will be left feeling "where is the justice". It happenes over and over in this county.

As for questioning Mr. Kindler's professionalism, I can assure you his dedication to the County that employs him ensures he will and did a great job investigating this case. If there had been an issue with a family member employed at Good Sam and been directly or imdirectly involved, I can guarantee you he would have stepped aside and made sure the someone would have done the job properly. Too bad he or Villereal weren't elected as Sheriff. That department needs a serious cleaning. Freeborn County has lost a lot of good deputies since Harig and Arnold took over that Dept. Who suffers??????? The tax payers!!!!!!

Posted by Katiekalikimaka (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was actually sickened as I read this on the Drudge Report.(And I thought I heard it all!)

How do such young women become so deranged?

I am a Registered Nurse with many years of critical care experience.
During my 4 years of college, I worked in a nursing home on school breaks and summer vacation.

Some days I would come home in tears because I felt so badly for these old lonely people. Sure, some patients can be combative, demanding or grumpy. Such is life. It is not license to carry out some from of deranged torture.

If one of these girls, as mentioned in one of the previous posts, is studying to become a nurse, she might as well pack it in. In most states, when you apply for a nursing license, you must answer questions about whether or nor you have been accused and/or convicted of any crime(s).

Sure, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
It's my understanding from what I've read that these fools admitted to this perversion.

As far as this statement:
If found guilty, "they most likely will face suspended jail sentences and probation, so they'd have the threat of jail hanging over them if they get in more trouble," said Freeborn County Attorney Craig Nelson, who filed the charges Monday"

What the HELL is that about???

Suspended sentence?
Threat of jail?
A year?

You guys in this town/county or whatever, better take a long hard look at your elected officials.

These girls need a message sent loud and clear: People DO NOT do this to other people.

OH, but I'll bet you that some of your city/county attorneys/officials were probably some of the great Americans who were outraged at the thought of water-boarding terrorists. The same terrorists, who if given a chance would have decapitated them without a second thought.
But assaulting/abusing helpless nursing home patients physically, emotionally and sexually will get you a suspended one friggin' year sentence???

And how do they come up with "assault in the FIFTH degree" when these are some of the things done to these patients??
"Broitzman put her BARE REAR END in one resident’s face and that Larson would RUB vigorously on residents’ GENITAL AREA TO AROUSE THEM."

How are these actions NOT sexual assault???

Where was the RN who was ultimately responsible for these patients, when these sadistic, perverted girls were having their idea of a great big laugh.

Like I said in the beginning of my post, I am sickened.

Aloha from Hawaii,
Katie

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Posted by dubbyw (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In the FIRST place-those pics of those gals SHOULD have been MUG-SHOTS-not the cutesy grad pictures. That is BULL! In the 2nd place-DON'T be blaming the Mother's- these gals did this on their own-I know the Mother's-and no blame should be given there. In the 3rd place-these gals-every one of them-should be banned from ever working in ANY health care facility for life-and they SHOULD be labeled as sex offenders. I have heard that a couple of them are working over the border in Iowa in Nursing HOMES???? Get real people-is this POSSIBLE? If so-move your parents-grandparents elsewhere. They need to be charged to the mAX!!! DW

Posted by Ham (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is terribly upsetting that Albert Lea is only known for two tragic events. These events being the burning of Farmland, and this situation commented on here. Evidently this is a despicable act. That has been stated many times before I even reached this site. I just could not read all of these comments without making one for myself. I happened to attend school with these girls, and they were unfortunately in my graduating class. I am utterly appalled by this entire situation. I can’t fathom how anyone could do such a diabolical act. The victims had no way at all to defend themselves, and that brings tears to my eyes. Imagine how horrendous it would feel to be violated, and not be able to fight back. I’d rather not even try to imagine it, because I fear I may vomit. I feel repulsed enough about this as it is. My grandmother is over ninety years old, and happens to have dementia. I was always apprehensive about her going into a nursing home, but I now I am scared to death. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. I can’t comprehend how this was comical on some level to them. Perhaps that is because I have my head on straight. The abuse that was carried should not be taken lightly. Sure these young ladies look attractive on the outside, but the content of their souls can’t be overlooked. Now is a prime moment to insert the overly used phrase “You can’t judge a book by its cover”. I will be closely following this case, and I anticipate hearing how hard they get punished. They truly deserve a harsh sentence. No jokes here. I wonder if they think this is funny too. They won’t if I see them on the street.

Posted by coco (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Management is in desperate need of change at GSC. I was informed by a former employee in mgmt that the administrator himself passed by a young girl filling out an app. and told HR to "hire her-she's cute". Several people I know have said GSC has the worst morale ever remembered by long-time employees over the last 7-8 years since this administrator has been there. Understandably so when half the department heads now have their spouse's working there also. It's a chaotic mess that really comes as no surprise. If you're cute you're in, if you do your job, you're out. What a crying shame those residents were abused in such ways and their "elite" management didn't pick up on it.

Posted by mrhappy14 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:15 a.m.

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Posted by Fiona (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know how things work over there but over here the majority usually rules. If anyone gets a petition going to have the charges reviewed to the sexual assault charges that they should be let me know and I will sign. Otherwise let me know the email address of an official I can give my opinion to.

Posted by professional (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If the administrators/management at Good Samaritan are truly upset over what these sickos did-show the public by getting involved with prosecuting them. The people who should be the most vocal and mad about the petty charges should be the nursing home itself. I understand how you can not watch each employee all of the time, but now you have the opportuniaty and responsibility to these poor victims and their families to make sure these ex-employees are prosecuted to the full extent.

siouxsuck-
You bet if it was my minor child I would want their name made public! In fact, the tribune would not have to seek out their name because I would call them myself. You know why - because I teach my children proper behavior and consequences. If they would choose intolerable behavior, they should be ready to pay the price in all forms. Kids, teenagers, and adults for that matter need to be more accountable for their actions instead of expecting the attorneys to bail them out.

Posted by Foolish (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:08 a.m.

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Posted by christmasgirl (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel so bad for these girls families. I am a graduate from ALHS and I think this is horrendous. I feel so bad for their families, how humiliating and hurtful. These girls need a much harsher punishment. One year is not enough to teach these weirdos a lesson. And that is their maximum jail time IF they get convicted? WOW. Maybe we should just slap them on the wrist and say, "It's ok, just don't do it again sweethearts!" If a guy did some of the stuff that they did to a girl who was unable to protect herself, it would be considered rape. It makes me sick to see how the school system, city, people, and especially those girl's family's reputations have been wrecked. I am embarrassed to even say that I am from Albert Lea anymore. We will forever be known as the town where those monsters who abused the elderly were from.

Posted by peckdowner (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I actually ran across this article on The Smoking Gun.

Having had a grandmother in a nursing home for 7 years, I must comment on a few things.

First about the minors not being identified...that law was made to protect minors who make "minor" mistakes when they are under 18. When a minor choses to participate in adult behavior and commits an adult crime, they should have to pay an adult consequence (hence that 8 year old boy being charged as an adult in the killing of his father and a friend). These minors should NOT be protected. This kind of activity is something that they are capable of doing again. This was not some "juvenile prank" or "unfortunate accident" this was pre-meditated sexual and elder abuse. They should be identified.

Second, they should be charged with sexual assault of an incompacitated person (or however your state law puts it). Just the mear fact that they rubbed the genitals of a patient says it all. The ones who participated in any activity that constitutes sexual acts should be charged with a sex crime and made to register for the rest of their lives, I don't care how old they were at the time of the crime.

Third, the training these kids are given is apparently not enough. These kids, when hired this young, need to be told that failure to report WILL result in criminal charges being filed. The kids did NOT report out of peer pressure. They were a click and didn't want their friends mad at them for telling. Had they known, I mean really known, that criminal charges / jail time would befall them if they didn't tell, they may have told at the beginning.

As for this prosecutor, no plea should be allowed. They should have to face the jury and let those 12 people decide the punishment of these girls. Prosecutors will generally do a plea to save the city / county money on a trial but because of the heinous nature of these crimes, I believe a trial will be money well spent. I plan to keep track of this developing story. I can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Posted by Foolish (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:06 a.m.

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Posted by Dealer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, I was stereotyping the average Minnesotan, but here's why: I lived in third-ring suburbia for ten years. I came to the realization that stupid people for the most part realize they are stupid; stupid Minnesotans however, do not.

I'm also making the assumptions that every defense of these people are coming from within the state. I seriously doubt that someone like me now living in Texas would give a rat's enough to come post supportive statements.

I heard that the DFL found another 600 votes for Frankin. How they landed in Ohio is anyone's guess...

Posted by dolphin (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a cna and I know that if my grandparents ever had to go to a nursing home I would rather take care of them. I wouldnt want anybody treating my grandparents like that. I wonder how there own grandparents think about this. They are so disgusting they better be registered as sex offenders.

Posted by dolphin (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where do you find there photos, i cant find them.

Posted by InterestedReader (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Happy14,
You made the comment about deputies leaving since Harig/Arnond took over, I think they have always been leaving. Maybe they are leaving b/c the pay in Freeborn County is less than other counties and the health ins. sucks. Last I heard (within the last year) for a deputy to have family ins. it costs them around $800/ month. I have a friend that is a police officer in a smaller town of about 2000 people and he only has to be around $120/month for family health ins. and his pay isnt that much lower than a Freeborn County Deputy. I suspect this could be why they are leaving, not because of Harig or Arnonld.

Posted by southernfirenice (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why feel sorry for the parents of these deviants? They are the ones paying for the lawyers to get their precious little girls out of the trouble they got into. If they are really good parents than they need to make the girls pay for what they did. Make the county attorney throw the book at them. What messages are the parents sending these girls? "Oh it's OK to demean and commit crimes against people lower in stature than we are. We will take care of it." Maybe the parents should have some charges brought against them.

Posted by Foolish (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wonder why my comment got removed? I didn't say nothing bad!

Here the links to the photos---
http://www.albertleatribune.com/photos/2...

Posted by None (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 9:49 a.m.

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Posted by truthshallprevail (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is truly a devastating situation! I do feel and have compassion for the girls who instituted these crimes as well as for the victims and their families... as well as for Good Sam and Albert Lea. We are all victims, because not only were the victims abused... Good Sam and Albert Lea have had their reputations abused as well. It will take time to recover and hopefully the girls that did these terrible deeds will be punished to the full extent of the law.

Part of this problem is the leniency of society today and the de-sexualization of the last 2 generations. Sex is no big deal anymore... their parents started the process and now every generation following is getting looser and looser with their morals and we are going down a very slippery path that is very hard to reverse. Yes, the girls did wrong! But so has society... NOW is the time to fix it... not later.

Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dealer,

Don't lump all us Minnesotan's together, and I won't lump all Texans together, deal? Secondly, stupid people never realize they are stupid. That is what makes them stupid, do you see? Maybe you don't ...

Yes, I am sure most of those defending these sick girls are from Minnesota, and most likely from their home towns. But I am sure that is the norm for most. And for the record, I think these girls should be registered as felony sex offenders. My wife is an LPN, and has worked with VA before, as have I while attending college. That is a huge responsibility, and to behave like they have is disgusting. They should be held accountable.

Posted by NHAdmin (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am Nursing Home Administrator in Minnesota and am deeply disturbed by these acts. They MUST be listed as sexual predators and they should never have the ability to work with vulnerable adults or children in any state. We need to make sure of this by bombarding the Attorney General's office with our calls about the way this case is being prosecuted. (the number is posted above)

Nursing homes already have a negative stigma in our society and a back eye like this will continue to hinder our ability to show all of the positives things that we do. Please understand that this crime is extremely rare. All complaints and survey findings are public knowledge on the MDH website and you would be hard pressed to find another crime of this nature.

To the rest of the Good Sam staff, thank you for sticking with it and providing excellent care to your residents!

Posted by amyzone (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Free2bme... You are right. I do wish I could put a camera everywhere my brother is but I can't. I still have to trust that the majority are good people. THat people in the business are there because they care and not just because they need a job. I have to trust, but everyday that becomes harder and harder. I know Good Sam's is a good and decent place. I know that most peoples hearts are in the right places. So I apoligize. Let's just hope this brings things out so they get fixed and not covered up or brushed under the rug. I admit this hit pretty close to home. All day yesterday I felt like crying but no amount of tears or ranting and raving is going to change things. Maybe that's why I felt like crying.

Posted by yesyes (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you NA admin!! Finally a comment that gives people an action they can take to actually make a difference in this situation! Although I understand the need for people to make their voices heard in such a horrific situation, if we only rant and rave and not take any action to prevent this from happening again, we can only blame ourselves WHEN it does happen again!!! NAadmin, please repost the number you referred to and give people some ideas of what they can say when they call. Thanks, again!!!

Posted by observer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is the link with numbers to the AG's office:
http://www.ag.state.mn.us/Office/Contact...

Posted by atprm_bbs (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Across the United States, we are just now learning of this ATROCITY and the punks that did this. Needless to say, we are absolutely DISGUSTED and OUTRAGED that so little, if anything will be done about these incidents. In the very least, the families of the infirmed should come forward with lawsuits against the defendants. How proud these parents of these teenagers are -- NOT! The reports of what transpired made me literally SICK to my stomach and brought a wave of tears to my eyes. This story has made an entire website of people literally sick to their stomachs. These defendants are POOR EXAMPLES of human beings and this story should be brought to the attention of Oprah Winfrey or Dr. Phil -- I think if they don't get prison time because of their actions, they should be PUBLICLY HUMILIATED on a NATIONAL LEVEL!!! It's absolutely DISGUSTING!!!

We are in Michigan and this is just horribly disgusting! No prison time? Slap on the wrist?? NURSING SCHOOL??? I think NOT!!!

We have an entire thread dedicated to updates, etc, opinions at:
http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-informa...

we have thousands of members nationwide who have read this, and we are very good at keeping it going. I believe some of the members have sent it off to people like Oprah or Dr Phil to get PUBLIC attention for it...they deserve no less...I am sure it won't be the attention they are seeking.

I believe that they should have to wear the scarlett letter A..where the A stands for ABUSER. They should NEVER be allowed to work with the elderly or with children -- ever!

As far as the minors? They aren't minors anymore-- they are all over 18 years old, and even if they weren't... you commit an adult crime, you get treated as an adult! Names published!

How disgusting.

Posted by dmb08 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Alright I could sit here and make many comments about all of this but there is one thing mostly that is kind of bugging me, the Craig Nelson comment - "they most likely will face suspended jail sentences and probation, so they'd have the threat of jail hanging over them if they get in more trouble,". My problem with it is, I have friends and me myself that have gotten an underage drinking ticket and we have jail time hanging over our heads just for that, which means if we get caught drinking or doing something wrong again we would have a jail sentence to serve. It seems a little rediculous to me that they should only have it hanging over their heads for doing what they did, and we do have it hanging over our heads for just getting caught drinking. Seems unfair, just my opinion.

Posted by yesyes (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's focus on DOING something about this!!! I want to see more ideas and suggestions of what people can do, say, or write and to whom. mOre encouragement of people to take action!!! I LOVE the Oprah Winfrey and Dr. PHil ideas - after all who really are the people who get things done in our nation - the media!!

Posted by tbb08 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i've been reading your comments for a while now and how bad good samaritan is and as a cna i am apolled at what these girls hve done and even though i do not work for good samaritan center i do know and respect some of the people that do work there. I would like to tell the scepticsthat the GIRLS did this not everyone, and there are some wonderful people still employed at good samaritan give them a break. As for these girls I do beleive that they should get what they diserve it makes us all look bad, when, in reality most cna's are there to help the residents and families and not hurt them. So my heart goes out to the residents, families,AND STAFF of good sams I hope you all recover from this terrible ordeal and the criminals get what's comming to them!

Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For those who don't want to call, you can find the contact page for Freeborn County Courts in the following website:

http://www.co.freeborn.mn.us/default.asp...

Posted by mnmom (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:29 p.m.

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Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian,

I am glad not one of these girls are my daughter. And if they were, I would have the same opinion. They have already admitted what they have done in interviews with police. So, based on that, I feel like I have the right to think that these girls are sick, and should spend a few years in prison. Maybe they will think that if fun, too.

Posted by ccvilla (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

not found guilty yet ?!? they admitted it . what is left to prove. they said they did it and thought it was funny... GUILTY

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:07 p.m.

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Posted by dolphin (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What time do you want to be there? HAHA

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian-what's your problem?!? THEY ADMITTED IT, YES-THEY WILL GET THEIR BIASED HEARING-BUT WHY DO YOU SAY "UNITL PROVEN GUILTY??" THEY SAID THEY WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian....hopefully you live in virginia because here in Minnesota there is such thing as "Minnesota Nice" but when it comes to sexually and emotionally abusing a vulnerable adult, we can get "Mean" very quickly. I hope that these girls get some prison time because even though the individuals that are currently incarcerated are indeed criminals they tend to have a relatively high standard of morals when it comes to abusing children and/or the elderly. If indeed these girls do go to prison and when the other inmates find out the nature of their crime, justice will definately be served. What comes around, goes around.

Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian,

Are you from another country? People can have their own opinion. And feel free to share it all they want. You must either be one of the sicko's implicated in this crime, or someone close to those freaks. But hey, I guess even you can give your opinion, too.

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish someone knew when she works......

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BUT DID HE SAY HE WAS GUILTY?!??!?!??! NO!!!!!!!! HE DENIED IT-THEY ADMITTED IT! YOU ARE NUTS!

Posted by Wildbill (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If these comments keep up like they are, it will reflect of the town.

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian...First you defend them and their "rights." Then you call them "freaks." Make up your mind!!

Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are not talking about OJ here. He may not have been found guilty (Money can buy a lot of things) but he was found responsible for their deaths in a later trial, and in a much more recent trial, proven that he is a violent man who thinks he is above the law. Just to let you know, I am not a judge, but I still say "Guilty" because ...

"In May 2008, Brianna Broitzman stated that she was told by Ashton Larson that she had spit water on resident GR at the Good Samaritan Center, Albert Lea, Freeborn County, Minnesota.

Brianna Broitzman admitted that she and Ashton Larson poked SW in breasts.

AMH stated that Ashton Larson would rub vigorously on residents' peri-areas (genital areas) to sexually arouse them. She recall that Ashton Larson and Brianna Broitzman talked about doing these types of things to residents on four to five occasions with the "girls."

AMH stated that she was told by Brianna Broitzman that Ashton Larson inserted her finger into a resident's rectum. Ashton Larson was present during this comversation and did not deny it.

Ashton Larson admitted that she inserted her finger into a resident's rectum. "

And there is much more. Look, I don't deny that they have to go to trial before they go to prison, and I am sure they will cry and look remorseful, but based on the facts presented in this indictment/complaint form (located http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea... for your reading pleasure) I think that they should go to prison for a long time.

Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Taxpayer,

She just repeated my comment. I called them freaks.

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MNSoldier...You are right. Thank you for clearing that up. Virginian....I guess I owe you an apology. I'm sorry. This is a very emotionally charged subject sometimes tempers and opinions override our ability to read the entire comment. Again, my apologies.

Posted by atprm_bbs (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the story is now national, and where most of us had no idea that an "Albert Lea, MN" existed in the past...we certainly are aware of it now!

This story will not die or just go away -- especially if nothing is done as punishment.

Many of us have contacted (but many more should anyway) Dr Phil, Oprah Winfrey, 20/20 and Dateline -- perhaps Larry King, Keith Oberman, and the like would pick up the story and give it the NATIONAL attention it deserves.

It thoroughly disgusts me, and I am in Michigan, that Ashton managed to get a job at Subway after admitting she spit in someone's mouth (let alone the other admissions)...that Subway would knowingly hire someone to work with FOOD.

Anyone (maybe everyone) should contact Subway and let them know they won't be eating their food in protest.

you can find that this thread is not soon to die in the near future here:
http://www.bigbigforums.com/news-informa...

Posted by Wildbill (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

atprm-bbs, WHY do you want to make this national. Do you want Albert Lea to become know for this!

Posted by agamboa (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Although it seems the victims will not get the justice they diserve it definitely seems this is getting nationwide attention and I hope that leads to something other than what is being put on the table...abcnews.com has the story on there homepage now...heres the direct link http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=63...

Posted by yesyes (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN, atprmbbs!!!! I definatly will be calling Subway. Wildbill, the purpose for making it National is insure that something is done and if these girls are not held accountable by making it national surely there would be a better chance for legislation to be changed so that this would not happen again. If it can happen here it can happen anywhere and people need to know what is going on so changes can be made and others can feel the pressure to hold these girls accountable for their incredibly horrible acts against helpless vulnerable people. If AL has to have a red mark then so be it as long as justice rules!!!

Posted by atprm_bbs (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

why make it national?? Because if the local attorney won't press the charges and give punishment where punishment is due, then the national attention of it -- the voice of the people speaking for those who can't -- need to!

If it makes your town look bad, then you need to be as outraged as the rest of the nation!

Who is going to take up for the residents who were violated?

This is beyond disturbing! The threat of jail is a joke!

Because the attorney knows the families of the perps? WRONG! He should recuse himself! Maybe it's because they are pretty girls, and that will get them off the hook? Possibly -- but if it's national news, rest assured people will NOT forget or let them forget!

I contacted Subway and let them know that people will revolt and not shop their stores while this *expletive* is employed -- doesn't make for a good image for them either!

They deserve PRISON not jail and certainly not probation.

Posted by rlwr51 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If appropriately severe charges had been brought, the rest of the world would not have felt the need to step in. Attempting to let them off easy is as much a story as the acts themselves and also shows a lack of respect for human dignity. If you don't want anyone to interfere, do your job.

Posted by Buffalo (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have four comments:

1) While I'm not a lawyer, it seems what is alleged is more serious than 5th degree assault. This is a big deal. Like others have mentioned, it appears some form of CSC is more appropriate and they should be prosecuted much more aggressively, including seeking prison time, and sex offender registration.

2) The management should have been aware of the situation. This was not an isolated event and the buck has to stop somewhere. Obviously proper procedures were not created or implemented at the nursing home to monitor their emloyees.

3) I encourage the victims' families to file large civil suits against the women/girls involved.

4) This has nothing to do with the town whatsoever. Evil people reside everywhere.

Posted by yesyes (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Subway number:
East Main location: 507-373-1604
West Main location: 507-373-2669
Blake Ave. locaiton: 507-373-9883

PLEASE CALL Can't recall which is the one she is working at but it won't hurt to call all three either!!!!

Posted by justwrong (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe she works at the east main location.

Posted by NHAdmin (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Buffalo....you can't blame the management for this situation. The cares provided for residents is done with the door closed, these residents aren't able to express what is happening to them, and these acts didn't leave bruises.

You tell me what the proper procedure for discovering if someone is rubbing their rear end in a resident's face??

If any of you know how strict the Minnesota Department of Health can be you would understand how amazing it is that they didn't find any fault with the nursing home.

Stop the witch hunt and blame game and focus on the actual criminals!

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can also go to www.subway.com and contact them at the main headquarters as well.

Posted by JL673 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

atprm_bbs & yesyes

You do know that if she loses her job she can sue you for defamation. She has not been convicted and even convicted criminals have a right to earn a living.

Shame on some of you people. What a great example you set for future generations.

I'm glad I don't live in Albert Lea. Apparently your citizens have no compassion. Justice should happen in a court of law.

Posted by MNSoldier (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where was the compassion for the residents of Good Sam?

Posted by atprm_bbs (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

she should be thankful that she isn't my child, because she would need a coffin.

There is no defamation of character if she admitted herself to her own wrongdoing -- they have a "right" to earn a living, but a RESPONSIBLITY to their future employers to tell the truth as to why they were terminated from their previous employment!

I don't live in Albert Lea, nor do I reside in the state of Minnesota, and from the press coverage it is now getting on ABC News' front page -- I am sure that it will be picked up on the AP and go worldwide ...it's just a matter of time!

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JL673...The feeling is mutual. I am glad that you don't live in Albert Lea also. Compassion, justice...Tell that to the victims and their families. The ones that are still living anyway...

Posted by seventyone (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JL673

You say we have no compassion. We are the ones that are outraged because of what happened. We are the ones that believe justice should happen in a court of law, but if you would have read the part about a suspended sentence and probation you would be outraged too. The scum of the earth has preyed on our elderly. People unable to protect themselves and you want us to sit back and take it. We are not the elderly and unable to protect ourselves. Maybe it is a good thing you don't live here it seems we have enough people just sitting around doing nothing (Nelson) and letting the girls get away with it.

Posted by mnmom (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

she works at the one on E Main but they deleted my comment

Posted by mrhappy14 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see one's 1st amendment right does not apply here. I posted nothing but facts, no profanity, nothing inappropriate, but staff removed my comment. I don't think anyone here agrees with the Tribune putting " innocent graduation" photos of the suspects. Maybe do like other news sources. Wait till they are booked and use those. Of course my right to free speech will probaby get violated here also because this truth will hurt also.

Posted by Dealer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Listen, these girls won't get anything more than a 'don't do this again' speech.

You have to realize that liberals only recognize white males as sex offenders, unless they moved in from another state with that mantle already attached. Guess who runs Minnesota?

Its actually kinda poetic justice, to see what you all have in store for you.

Posted by Buffalo (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I stand by my statement. Management indeed has a duty to ensure the safety of its residents, especially when responsible for vulnerable people. This was not a single isolated incident, but rather an ongoing situation occurring over many months and perpetrated by several employees. Procedures such as improved training and supervision need to be instituted to ensure this type of situation never happens again.

Posted by seventyone (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone locally contacted subway and what was their response?

Posted by JL673 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have read everything but hate filled posts are going to help anyone including the victims families.

Posted by observer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrhappy14
Here is a link that is a little less innocent and shows their even touchy/feely with one another too.
http://www.albertlea.com/cgi-bin/ikonboa...

Posted by minnmom (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the funny thing is i know one of the girls and her fam. very well and nobody knew anything about it till it was on the news very very sad. as i do work with va it is sad that this would happen but you never know people till you see them on the news i guess and gives everyone else a bad name. i cant belive that they are not going to get anything out of this it is not ok what a message to all of the young people do it for fun and nothing will happen to you

Posted by Dealer (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Added bonus: (after contacting the MN Attorney General's office) there is no regulatory oversight as far as what your Freeborn County DA chooses to file (no Minnesota Attorney General influence), that being said, they've already decided what I said above, and they prove my previous three posts.

The only check and balance in place for the citizens of Freeborn county and the residents of Good Sam is to not re-elect Craig S. Nelson, David J. Walker, Karyn D. McBride, and Erin M. O’Brien, as they are the true guilty parties, and above state intervention.

Posted by seventyone (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dealer... so what you are saying is that we all just have to bend over and take it?

Posted by dj8887 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I found out that one of the residents was in a vegetable state and that things were happening to this resident only, because she couldn't defend herself.
Remember their names: Brianna, Ashton, Alica, Morgan, JS, KN, SS, and RM. Ask someone you know that has gone to school with these individuals, or better yet get your hands on the 2008 Albert Lea school yearbook.

Posted by algal (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dj8887 - Uh, not all of the girls graduated in 2008. Accusing someone just because they have the same initials, you are setting up some innocent individual to harrassement by the Albert Lea lynch mob.

People, you are in danger of getting these girls hurt by some crazy person reading these posts. When you threaten the girls with rape and "lining them up to be shot" you are incouraging individuals to do things to them that you are also condeming the girls for. How does that make you any better of a person?

Now, maybe you think they deserve "whatever they get" but that is far from the christian values I always thought albert lea lived by.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves and let justice do what they can. It will be hard in this town as it is right now.

Posted by ba5265 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well first of all i would like to write that i am a previous worker at the albert lea good samaritan center. I know all of these girls VERY well... I would like to start saying that all of you that have posted about the administration YES you are correct. The main reason as why i do not work for them anymore is because of them. About 5 of us quit that were long time workers due to the fact that we were tired of seeing residents being neglected and how we felt doing all we could do to keep up and make sure that everyone is taken care of in a timely mannor and it was almost inpossible. I have no idea out of the number of years i would complain about seeing neglect from many people walking into a room and saying o this person is dry or this person is just fine and than you walk in when they walk out and there covered in soiled linen or have food everywhere... but happens when you report something... NOTHING!!!!!! Dont get me wrong there are alot of GREAT workers but than you have your lazy ones of all ages that administration just says give them time they will get better.... Sorry my opinion is your either cut out for this type of work or your not... Another thing i think people would agree with is why is it that all of these girls worked on the same station for the most part and all together? Dont you think that if you have 3-5 highschool girls working all together it might cause a little conflict... Well guess what it's to late it already did. Alot of it wouldn't of happened if they have nurses that are more concerned about the aids and did there job got out from behind the desk or the med carts and did random checks... There is NOTHING wrong with knocking on a door and peeking into make sure that approperiate care is being done.. I had the best nurse in the world that i worked with and let me tell you we worked as a team she knew what was going on at all times she didn't sit behind a desk and chart she was active in everything we did. Maybe they need to review some of the nurses because i can guarentee you will find 70% are more worried about what happened the night before and with there home lives than the responsibilites there actually there for. Just a little thought coming from experience being there working there and knowing what happens. As for the girls doing this... well guess what you went threw orientation you signed the papers of being mandated reporters you went threw the classes of abuse, neglect, were tought right from wrong and you obviously didn't learn so why not sit time for doing the crime..

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsuck-EXACTLY: THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They should've reported-You REALLY don't think they should be guilty by association? Come on! Mandated reporting MEANS just that!!! Don't take the job if ya can't follow the duties that accompany the position.
If a child is being beaten-and someone knew and admitted it, you would be ok with that?

Posted by coco (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As was posted last night, MARK ANDERSON, LEADER OF ALL, should enlighten NBC on his hiring tactics, "HIRE HER, SHE'S CUTE". It's time he move on back where he came from, maybe GSC will be what it was prior to his arrogant uncaring attitude that's destroyed the place and taken it to where it is now. They may also be interested in why he has each department head's spouse also working there. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!

Posted by OldTrojan (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting reading from Good Sam's website:

Hallmark Values and related Core Principles

Good Samaritan has four Hallmark Values which suggest its organizational priorities. Good Samaritan is Christ-centered, Resident-centered, Staff-centered, and Community centered.

The four related Core Principles are:

Compassion
All relationships within Good Samaritan flow from an encounter with and response to God's love in Christ.

Hospitality
Every resident finds the fullest possible life in a safe, secure and loving home.

Vocation
All staff members are called to care in a Christian community that offers them respect, support and opportunities to grow.

Service
The Good Samaritan Community reaches out to meet the needs of the wider community around it while inviting local residents to find meaning and hope by working in or volunteering at a Good Samaritan Community.

Posted by minnesnowdah (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a new employee at GS and having spent much time with the department heads I am extremely proud to be working there. They are compassionate and hurting from what these girls have done. (on a side note these girls should be in prison and registered sex offenders... I am sickened by them) GS is an incredible facility and when I walk through the halls I see so much love for the residents that live there. I am deeply saddened that because of these girls GS will always carry a stigma. I look at every resident as I my my own parents or grandparents and I know the department heads feel they same - if it had been possible to know what these girls were doing believe me they would have taken action immediantly.

Posted by joe6pack (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsux, do you really think the girls that have known about this abuse for several months, and involving so many residents, are not liable? Pictures and videos were taken by them, that alone stands for punishment. I think all of their names should be listed, why just a few of them? Is Good Sam filing charges on these girls? These juveniles have violated these senior citizens who were placed at Good Sam. for care and compassion and look what they received...mental abuse, sexual abuse, & physical abuse and these girls were laughing amongst themselves. All I have to say to Mr. Nelson is "do your job" and do what is right for each individual involved. Not one of those girls deserves just a slap on the hand.

Posted by stewie (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsuck- thank you.

Posted by alhsgrad90 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FLY 96 month stayed sentence is a lot longer than what these girls are getting. plus who can stay out of trouble for 96 months i bet that the girl will be in jail by the end of next year for some other stupid act she will do.

Posted by stewie (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

algal - Thank you for your comment also. I am afraid someone will take the vigilante justice route. Please think about this, people. Please.

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i guess i don't think that girls who get off watching abuse should be punished any less, i feel these vulnerable adults deserve more respect. completely disgusting,

Posted by wingo (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian -- probably the only impartial jury will be ones with the same morals as these girls. I do believe innocent until "proven" guilty, but they proved themselves guilty by their statements. As usual the tax payers will be paying for a trial because of lawyers who want to make a buck and incompetent officials. If I sound harsh it's because sexual predators keep getting away with their nasty ways. I for one am sick and tired of this.

Posted by MichaelQ (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cruel
They call this place
“Good Samaritan.”
Yet I see nothing here
that’s humanitarian.
Look! The sun is up.
It’s another day.
But the aids are slow,
so in my refuse I lay.
I have called for the nurse.
She’s to busy gossiping to hear.
But
today my hopes
are high.
My family said
they would stop by.
But I know by now
on them I can’t rely.
Instead of taking care of me
they put me in this nursing home
to die.

It is not the institution that is corrupt, it is the people. When it is my time to watch the days pass by, I can only hope and pray that these people will not treat me and my loved ones, this way.

Posted by MichaelQ (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Listen

What are you doing?
No! Stop! Please!
I want to go home,
Let go of me!
From behind the shadow,
behind the trees,
was stolen innocence
and my dignity.
Will somebody help me?
In the land of free?
Help end this violence,
and forced indecency.
Yet, these people,
can they read?
Can you stomach the words,
when not hungry?
What are you doing?
No! Stop! Please!
How could you do this,
could you do this,
to me?

Posted by 57boy (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tribune nazi's--why was my post removed yesterday ?????

Posted by wingo (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian -- Who said that juries are immoral? Not me. I was just saying by all the news media far and wide are you going to be able to find a jury anywhere. Why do you say that AL never has an impartial jury, what makes you so wise, you don't even live here do you?

Posted by JL673 (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

siouxsuck, algal & stewie
I agree with your posts. Thank you! It's nice to see other voices of reason.

Posted by blizard (anonymous) on December 3, 2008 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

crysandclay... How do you know that ALL of these girls watched the terrible two do things to these poor residents? Do you know more than the rest of us?

Posted by Johnsb56 (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 1:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These girls should be registered sex offenders. If they were older women abusing a younger person they would be branded for life. Why not here? A slap on the wrist, which is basically what they're receiving, is completely unacceptable. People, especially family of those residents, should be protesting and screaming!

Posted by 88al88 (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 3:17 a.m.

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Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 6:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian...Read my comment from December 3 posted at 2:10 p.m. Then we will talk about comprehension.

Posted by 3trees (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone be careful what you wish for. Therre is currently a lawsuit being pursued by the family of a young girl who was killed as a result of comments made about her on the internet. This story was recently on ABC. If you think the AL Tribune won't give access to law enforcement if needed to find your identities you are wrong.

Posted by gchordbob (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What needs to be done is this: All, and I mean all nursing homes need to prioritize the Failure to Report policy, and if an employee does follow that guideline he or she will not be chastised by fellow workers or management!

Posted by phxguy (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The fact that both Brianna Marie Broitzman and Ashton Michelle Larson are not expected to receive any jail time even if convicted is an outrage. Had both of them were men, they would already be in jail pending trial.

Young people, especially those in their late teens and 20s, are self-absorbed and possess no basic common courtesies. Having young people as neighbors is also rough. Here in the Phoenix area where I live, we have a couple of planned communities where you need to be 55 to live in. When I turn 55, that's where I'll move to just to get away from self-absorbed young people.

Posted by timss4 (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with most of the comments posted on this page... Especially those leaning towards a tougher punishment. Because they are girls, they are obviously getting leaniant consequences.

Posted by taxpayer (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Virginian...wow you must have really had a tough attorney who was willing to really throw the book at you. Apparently is wasnt Nelson. Let me know when visiting hours are and I will come see you. If you are under 18 and promise not to tell I will bring you a pack of smokes also. Apology accepted. Again, this is an incredibally emotional situation we all need to stand together on this and defend those who aren't able to defend themselves. Rest in peace those who were abused and have since passed. I pray that our voices will be heard and that TRUE JUSTICE will prevail. A slap on the wrist IS NOT ACCEPTABLE and we as citizens of Albert Lea, Minnesota, USA WILL NOT simply turn our heads on this one. NBC was already here. Do you want more Mr. Nelson??? Bring it on.

Posted by activistgirl (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm going to protest on Jan. 21st at the courthouse. If anyone else feels as passionately about these girls getting a harsher punishment then what Mr. Nelson has been quoted as: 3,000 fine with the threat of one year in jail, then I encourage everyone to join me!

Posted by bravo (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am in the state of WA and just heard this news on a Nat'l network channel... my husband is in an Alzheimers care facility in my area. He was diagnosed with Allzheimers at age 55...is now 69 and is now in the very last stages and near death. I am sitting here in tears. From what I have read in the news article there seems to be such a clear cut case of minor legal charges...from where I sit, there are so many "sexal abuse" charges that should be filed and I can't believe that they have not been more vigourously pursued!!! What is going on in your little city???? And Civil Rights??? Dear God....these are the most vulnerable people in the world!! This would be no different then if would have been done to children...absolutley
defenseless people!! If my husband were one of their victims I would spend all the energy I have left to make sure that this gets prosecuted to the the maximum...i would demonstrate at every oportunity in your little city to let them know that they are weak in they way they have gone about the charges and prosecution of these girls...I would keep this story alive in every news media that I could think of...and I would certainly make sure that additional charges were added from a "civil rights" aspect...city, state and federal!!!

I would do that "just for fun," "just to tease them," "just to for see how they will react," just so I could brag to my friends."

Our judicial system stinks!!! Anybody up for relection in your prosecutors office...and financial or favoritism giong on there?

My heart goes out to the patients and the families that were at the mercy of nasty little sociopaths!

Posted by crysandclay (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

have you read anything else i've written?? it was stated they didn't report THE THINGS THEY WATCHED THEM DOING TO THESE PEOPLE-DUH! No, i don't even live in Albert lea you weirdo.

Posted by blizard (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No it doesn't state anywhere that ALL of these girls watched these horrible things being done! It states some were present when the two were talking about what they did and that the two were laughing about it. I guess I like to read things throughly before I post sh*t. DUH!

Posted by grass (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

all i have to say is that the albert lea tribune did not get their facts right regarding morgan walton. she did NOT abuse ANY resident and she is NOT getting charged or has ever been suspected of any abuse. before everyone judges people they should get the facts and the only facts are about brianna and ashton. the tribune will be lucky if they dont face a lawsuit for defamation of character. all of you out there who are judging morgan walton should be ashamed of yourselves because you dont know the facts regarding her. i know the facts and if you havent realized, not one other news station has brought up her name. im just setting the story straight in regards to her. she did not or is not being charged with abuse. she came forward on her own about the abuse without being questioned. she never witnessed any abuse, but only heard of the abuse. albert lea tribune better watch out because they jumped the gun...

Posted by blizard (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Props to you grass!!! Thank you for letting the Tribune and all of these judgemental a**'s know the truth!! Wonder what you all think now?? You should all be ashamed, passing judgement without knowing the full facts...

Posted by blizard (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One other thing, you are right if i were the tribune i would be worried too.. This could be a huge lawsuit! And righfully so it should be! Ruining someone's life in the way that this has is a terrible thing. My heart goes out to Morgan and her family!!!

Posted by algal (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

activistgirl - Hey don't forget your box of proverbial stones (threats, condemnation, insults, spit) to pass out while you and your fellow Christians are protesting at the court house. From the sound of the posters on this site I'm sure there will be plenty of takers. I'll recognize you all with your "WWJD" wristbands and bumper stickers.

Again, please do not interfere with justice. The girls are still innocent until proven guilty. Unless you know something about the case that the rest of us don't, you have no business making this any more of a circus than it already is.

Posted by wingo (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How does grass know so much? Are you like Mr. Larson? We are all waiting to hear the whole story, evidently the tribune was maybe miss informed, that also happens you know. I think most of the comments were about Broitzman and Larson, they are the ones that admitted doing these unspeakable things. When awful things like this happen to the vulnerable people get upset, sometimes things are said that maybe shouldn't have been said, we'll have to see what all comes out.

Posted by grass (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i am nothing like Mr. Larson...the facts will come out and you will see that morgan did not abuse anyone and never was suspected of it. i have said the truth and have nothing more to say...

Posted by dolphin (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHAT ARE YOU HER SISTER OR SOMETHING

Posted by activistgirl (anonymous) on December 4, 2008 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, I just wanted to state that I didn't come on here to argue with anyone or have to start defending myself in this situation. I just feel that the punishment to the two girls (not Morgan or whoever else was involved) that willingly admitted to sexually molesting and raping people's grandparents is not harsh enough. If you don't agree with me that's fine, everyone has there own opinion and I respect that. I was just stating that if there is anyone else here who feels that Mr. Nelson isn't doing his job, they are more than welcome to join me. I'm using my constitutional right to stand up for what I believe in and if you have a problem with that, then that's your own deal.

Posted by aka_sodapop (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This in regards to the two teen caregivers that have been charged with physical, sexual and emotional abuse of 15 Alzheimer's disease and dementia patients at a Minnesota nursing home; Brianna Marie Broitzman, and Ashton Michelle Larson.

After reading the police report and hearing of this incident over the news……..I have to say this; it sickens me and I am completely appalled! I think these young women need to be charges as adults, should do serious jail time Also they should be put on the sexual offenders list.

These women should have to pay the consequences of their actions anyone else would, I really don’t care of their age or if they were voted the prettiest, most popular or were on the pep squad- what they did was WRONG.

I worked in nursing for twenty two years and started at the age of sixteen, I worked with Alzheimer's patients for six years. I, nor did anyone I every worked with; ever did anything like what these women did. They should be ashamed of themselves, and they should be held accountable for their actions as adults. These women are deviants in the eye of society and especially in the eyes of the medical field.

I believe in karma and may God have pity on your souls girls, and if not remember what goes around comes around- I hope when that happens, you can laugh as you did when you did those unspeakable things to those elderly people. I hope you carry the sorrow of those patients and family members for eternity.

To the patients and family members my heart goes out to you.

Totally Appalled In Colorado

Posted by ali22 (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I went to school with these girls and i actually grew up with one of them. I changed schools because of the way these girls treated me in my senior year. It is pretty pathetic to think that i was actually friends with these girls at one time. The older they got the more mean and immature they became. It was like they thought they were/are invinsible and that they could get away with whatever they wanted. It is hard for me and my best girlfiend to go anywhere without being asked if we graduated with the girls or if we were their friends. We have learned to either say we didnt know them or tell these people the truth about their personalities and how they actually treated other people, besides this incident. I am glad that these girls were cought and i dont doubt for ONE minute that everything that has been said is true. I believe that there is more things they have done that havent been found or proven.

Posted by realtree (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

those that want to contact the city/county officials

http://www.city.albertlea.org/officials....

http://www.co.freeborn.mn.us/attorney/de...

Posted by wingo (anonymous) on December 5, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

grass -- if she heard about the abuse, how long did she wait to report it and why would she be named as one of the other 4. if they made a mistake on this I hope they will print an apology to her.

Posted by ali22 (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it is kinda funny that morgan couldnt have had anything to do with it, you know like i said before when one does it, the others just follow. Or is she able to get away with more because her mother and sister work there too??? ....Ironic

Posted by shaggcarpet69 (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmm now let see.... JM??....... Jenna Stene
annnnnnnnddddd.... RM??......Rachel Munson
NNNEEEXXXTTT........KN??.......Kaylee Nash
And for the finaleee....SS??....Stephanie Sipple

Do i get a cookie? I promise these are the girls you are all looking for.

Posted by minnesotaguy (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would really like to know how shagg knows these are the girls that are being charged as the police dept has not even released their names. Gee.. I wonder why. Are you certain the names you posted are not just ones that were interviewed? There is a huge difference between not reporting hear-say and doing the acts a few others did. Also shagg your so confident your right..... willing to post your name? Defamation of Charactor? Libel? I'm no lawyer but i would be careful of who i accuse

Posted by minnesotaguy (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would also like to say i am very disappointed in the residents of Albert Lea that are getting involved in the "witch hunt". Don't get me wrong the girls should be held accountable for their actions, but do you think the state just gave the case back to Nelson without any advice or suggestions as to what he could actually charge them with? In my opinion Albert Lea is a great place to live there is alot of caring and extremely nice people in our community! Why can't we drop the witch hunt until the COURT system releases the names (not all the wanna be detectives posting) And concentrate on restoring the name of our town? There can be alot of great things going on in your town, but is seems the few with way too much negative energy seem to bring everyone else's attitudes down. If your not happy with something in our town - GET OUT THERE and help make it better! The nation is watching ALbert Lea, MN....what better time to band together and show them that we are better then that?

Posted by minnesotaguy (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Also for Shagg Here is a e-mail address for you to contact me at... I would enjoy hearing from you ford_guy_4life@hotmail.com

Posted by shaggcarpet69 (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well for one i know ALL of these girls pretty darn well and just seeing their birthdate and innitials in the complaint letter was all i needed let alone i know every one of them that worked out at that place. Thanks

Posted by JL673 (anonymous) on December 6, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If those are the girls being charged they are being charged as juvenile in juvenile court which means their names should not be out for the public to see.

Posted by vikings08 (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think a protest is in order, right in front of the courthouse!!

Posted by vikings08 (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How does JM= Jenna Stene? Let's get the facts people, there's enough gossip already!

Posted by vikings08 (anonymous) on December 7, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This link from the Star Trib is even more graphic in some ways.

http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents...

Posted by shaggcarpet69 (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if u go to school with these girls you know when their birthdays are and only so many girls in one class can have the same exact innitials, pull out a year book and see for yourself, the senior class was not that big and i knew all of the girls that worked at good sams. It is really not that difficult to figure out and i dont care if they were minors "at the time" they are not minors now and they commited adult crimes. The people that went to school at this time knew before anyone else, some of us were friends with these people. When one of the girls got a job there, the other ones had to get a job there too it was kind of a big deal back then.

VIKINGS 08-- My bad JMS, Jenna Marie Stene, i forgot the last innitial.

Posted by ali22 (anonymous) on December 8, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Vikings 08, I am glad that the star trib is more graphic. People need to know exactly what went on. I mean seriously, i dont know why anyone in here would feel bad or stand up for these girls unless they know them personally. I know them very well and i knew how they were in high school, this whole incident does not surprise me. These girls were all preverted in sick twisted ways (as you can see) for the entire time that i have known them, there is a reason why i got away from them when i did...

Posted by soupy (anonymous) on December 10, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is all sickening. I hope these girls get what they deserve but furthermore, I hope Good Sam gets rid of their upper management (administrator and nurse director). I know from personal experience that these people do not look in the best interest of the patients. Has anyone monitored how long it takes for someone to attend to a residents call light? I have witnessed situations and when the issues were confronted, nothing changed. Did anyone listen and investigate residents complaints in a timely manner? It's time to have caring people in this facility, don't get me wrong, there are alot of caring people there but not in upper management.

Posted by soupy (anonymous) on December 10, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i just read that some people are wanting mark anderson to resign...I couldn't agree more, Mrs. Peterson should resign as well.

Posted by detective_kroupa (anonymous) on December 15, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For Christ's sake people! Grow up and shut the hell up! You have no clue what it is like for the families of the sopposed charged to read these!

Shaggcarpet69, you have no right to publicize a minors name on the internet without there consent, especially in this case I hope one of them four decides to have you charged with defamation, and then I or a local officer or detectve take out a Administrative Subpoena on the website and you anomity will no longer be.

I am not related or close with any of the supposed charged. IT IS JUST PATHETIC! You stupid asses have no clue what you are talking about in your emotionally charged attack! There are a lot of emotions flying around right now! These girls know they did something wrong and there is no need to rub it in their face!

Shaggcarpet69; I will be contacting those four girls parents to see if they would like charges of defamation brought upon this.

FYI shaggcarpet69; Defamation is taken in a very serious matter by the State of Minnesota and there is a large possibilty of potential jail time!

Posted by MichaelQ (anonymous) on December 22, 2008 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What detective_kroupa is trying to say is that a person is responsible for their own actions, correct?