E-cigarette smokers are not welcome

Posted by nerdovision (anonymous) on June 10, 2009 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To the writer of this article... You are guilty of contempt prior to investigation! It is very clear to me that you do not understand the subject of which you write.
First off you write that "It didn’t break the state smoking ban because it didn’t have carcinogens that contain nicotine" which is an incorrect statement. It does not violate the law because it does not produce any smoke and does not contain any tobacco.
Second; When a person uses an electronic cigarette it NEVER produces any smoke, they produce a slight water vapor which is completely smoke free, orderless, safe, and dissipates within a couple seconds. Knowing this I can not see how it would bother surrounding patrons unless they get upset by visually seeing the person using them. If that is the case then the problem would not be with the e-cigarette user, it would be within the angered person as they clearly have issues.
Third: I have no idea how this all ties into the marijuana debate, I have to admit the end of your story kind of turned in to some sort of psycho babel.
Hope you don't get offended but that's just how I see it, but then I am an optimist and try not to judge others.

God Speed

Posted by KenZag (anonymous) on June 10, 2009 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think it is just fine to go outside to smoke and to take a break. I enjoy meeting new people that way.

In my opinion, the electronic cigarette needs to become a little more popular first before you smoke it inside. Currently it is still very provoking.

In any case, please share your e-smoking experience in public with us. We'd love to hear it!
http://www.ecigarettes365.com/forum/view...

Posted by geokarjo (anonymous) on June 10, 2009 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well some people are offended by breast feeding. How ever a child needs nourishment.

There are several different nicotine delivery devises that are widely being used one devise which resembles the electronic cigarette is less expensive and acceptable for public use, however I do hear customers make snide comments as to how ridiculous it looks to see someone use them.

There is always going to be someone whom will try to enforce their beliefs and will upon the people. Those whom enjoy stirring he pot. Those whom enjoy prejudice and those whom will practice it.

When I am approached by someone whom wishes to negatively comment on my lifestyle, I simply say, "your toilet paper doesn't clean you properly."

Posted by nerdovision (anonymous) on June 10, 2009 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

re; geokarjo's comment,

lol, that is hilarious! "your toilet paper doesn't clean you properly."
love it!

Posted by gingershane (anonymous) on June 10, 2009 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The person who rote this is ignorant beyond belief. Please listen to the first comment posted here and not the person who posted this editorial.

Also if you want to find out the truth about electronic cigarettes why don't you try them out yourself? They are cheaper than tobacco cigarettes.

http://www.blucigs.com/index.php?ref=141...

Posted by Mike12 (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 3:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have smoked electronic cigarettes in restaurants and bars, and at first you get weird looks, but eventually they warm up to you once they realize THERE IS NO SMOKE !!! also my e cigarette has a blue tip that lights up so it makes it more obvious that I am not actually smoking. I got it from www.electroniccigarettesource.com Also one more thing, if somebody does not want me to smoke it in their establishment, that is FINE! no problem I won't. But when I smoke it in my house it leaves no bad smells, so there you have it.

Posted by jimsterling (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 4:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree it doesn't seem as though the author of the article is very informed on what e-cigarettes are. Perhaps they still think they are tobacco but just an electric device.

I got my e-cigarette from http://www.buy-electronic-cigarettes.org... because it seem to be the best quality for the cheapest price and it is black with a bright blue LED so I haven't had anyone mistake it for a real cigarette, so no problems for me smoking it indoors.

Posted by debgolf (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who lets people write articles they know NOTHING about- comparing an electronic cigarette to Medicinal Marijuana- THERE IS NO SMOKE with E-Cig- research your article you idiot!

Posted by stevehartwell (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is one of the worst totally un-informed, mis-informing, sanctimounious, hypocritical, sodomizing, religious-based hate-speeches it's ever been my displeasure to be exposed to. g-o-d will send you to hell for it.

Posted by panther0783 (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This argument is completely unfounded and makes zero sense. Holy discrimination Batman! It seems that you have done absolutely no research on this. These e-cigs are in fact SMOKELESS! They emit a light vapor that is odorless and dissipates in a matter of seconds. And where in the h*ll did this whole thing on marijuana come from? What does that have to do with anything?? You know what, where do you live? My dog and I are going to camp out on your front porch with some beef jerky and juice boxes and I'm going to sit there and smoke an e-cig. I'll have 11 cartridges for back up and my dog and I will sit there until you stop being a dumb a**.

Posted by Liberty (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've read this article and I am really unsure as to what it is that Roger takes offence at, I can only assume that it is the smell that offends him? I really would like some more information but given that the article is very brief with very little content I will have to jump to that conclusion, sorry roger!

I can't comment on medical marijuana (the real stuff sure can pong a bit though) but <a href="http://www.liberty-flights.co.uk>Electronic Cigarettes</a> don't smell anything like cigarettes and in my view, you would be hard pushed to actually smell the vapour (it isn't even smoke). Would roger like to try a free kit with no nicotine in it?

Posted by panther0783 (anonymous) on June 11, 2009 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It seems to me that Roger thinks that all smokers(tobacco and pot) are evil, of the devil, and should be destroyed. Sorry, Liberty, but a free kit is probably unacceptable. Chances are he'll throw holy water on it then have a sacrificial burning.

Posted by chrish (anonymous) on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I had asked in another post about the smell also and missed in the original article where it stated you can't smell the vapor.

To each their own. If someone finds it helpful to stop smoking, ok.

Posted by tfcouve (anonymous) on June 12, 2009 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, it's too bad we can flag comments for removal, but not articles lol. Yes, it's obvious to somebody who has done little research that this writer is horribly uninformed.

With rising popularity of e cigaretts, I wonder if in the future they will use it for a way to deliver medical marijuana. It would have the same non-carconigenic benefits, and be faster acting than delivery methods like the THC pill.

I also wonder if any of these e cig companies are going to start trading stock publicly. I'll be waiting, e cig companies should see huge sales increases as long as the FDA naysayers don't have their way.

Posted by badjuju (anonymous) on June 13, 2009 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The person who wrote this must be a strange little fellow, and must not have to many friends either.

Posted by standingby (anonymous) on June 14, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

F.Y.I. Roger Fink, you may be able to tell and keep people from your home but, you can'not tell or keep people from attending your church due to your idiotic beliefs! I really doubt anyone comes to your home anyhow but, if you do go to church, start listening to the sermons and learn from them! You are entitled to your opinion, please post it with some knowledge instead of pure stupidity! Enough said!

Posted by pirateshipinc (anonymous) on June 14, 2009 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I'll tell ya, I have had it for 2 days now. These things are awsome. I would say that my lungs are already clearing up and I feel much better. And my BREATH doesn't stink, my close don't stink, I can smoke while riding my Harley and at Harley functions without bothering people. Don't forget people, they have pipes, and cigars too. I haven't smoked it in public, like a mall or a store, I will eventually just to see the reaction.

We are thinking of getting it for my aunt, she has had two strokes, suffers from depression and has undergone psychological brain surgery. She will not kick the habit, but is really not able to control her smoking, its dangerous, so if this is an alternative.....then lets try it is what all my "non-smoking" family says.

I smoked it all day in my parents house yesterday as a test. They of course thought it was real and got real angry at me for smoking in their house. After trying to kick me outside, they soon were all gathered around me asking about it. The consensus was that the technology was amazing and they all encouraged me to stay on that instead of the regular cigarettes.

So Try it you'll like it. Get used to it and live better. Ooohhh and by the way the smoke is thick enough for smoke rings, but disappears fast enough to probably "get away with it".

Posted by Justhere (anonymous) on June 15, 2009 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My grandma did die of cancer and was told to smoke marijuana, not to control pain but to make her hungry and eat! I not only wouldve allowed her in my home to smoke it but I wouldve rolled it up for her, and no I don't do drugs. I'm just glad I'm not your grandma or related to you at all. You can treat your family however you like but you should really get some actual FACTS before spouting off nonsense there is no smoke involved but water vapor. Oh and I have to give you kudo's for giving me a good laugh. OH MY GOD a FEMALE was smoking a cigarette!!!!! LMFAO That entire article was just plain weird, what does water vapor have to do with smoking and how does marijuana equate cigarette or even electronic cigs?? Whats illegal about electronic cigarettes that they need to be policed? Nicotine is legal pretty sure water and glyerin are legal too, maybe its the batteries you have a problem with? Who knows! God Bless you and give you peace because after reading that article and how incohesive and angry it was you seriously need it.

Posted by HeatherLackey (anonymous) on June 15, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Many who use electronic cigarettes call it "vaping" rather than "smoking" to better reflect what the device actually produces. A typical cartridge contains food-grade propylene glycol (the stuff that's used in fog machines), natural and artificial flavors, citric acid, lemon, vinegar and, optionally, nicotine. Those with propylene glycol sensitivities can find vegetable glycerin-based alternatives from some sellers.

A number of people who switch from tobacco cigarettes to electronic cigarettes use the different nicotine levels available on the market to step down their addiction, often with the goal of reaching zero nicotine, at which point they are enjoying the sensation of "smoking" with very little of the dangers to themselves and those around them. As you can see from the ingredient list, if someone wanted to vape without nicotine, they could make their own liquid from readily available ingredients--vegetable glycerin from the pharmacy, candy flavorings from a craft store, and the rest of the ingredients from the grocery store.

Some of the flavorings do produce faint, sweet odors--when I vape a particular brand of coffee-flavored liquid, my husband says it smells like I've been drinking sweet coffee. Many flavorings, however, produce no discernible odor at all.

The liquid I've described is heated via a small coil (the atomizer) until it becomes vapor. The amount of heat required is not excessive--just 5%-10% of the temperature of a burning cigarette. I can comfortably hold the metal barrel of the atomizer in my fingers while drawing on it. I can even put my lips directly on this metal barrel and draw the vapor.

There is no burning, no combustion and no smoke.

The vapor produced often dissipates in the air in, literally, a few seconds, unlike smoke, which lingers and accumulates.

Researcher Dr. Murray Laugesen has conducted testing on one brand of electronic cigarette and found it to be "two to three orders of magnitude safer (100 to 1000 times safer) than a tobacco cigarette."

Smoking bans are in place to protect people from the carcinogens in second-hand smoke (which in the short term can also make people sick to their stomachs and/or give them headaches). They also make for a more pleasant environment, because smoke has a strong, often unpleasant odor and it can fill the room, making it hazy and causing people's eyes to sting.

As a patron at a place that allowed electronic cigarettes to be used, however, you would be in no more danger and no more physically uncomfortable than you would be at an event where fog machines were used--and they even use those at kids' events. If someone were vaping behind you, odds are you wouldn't know unless you turned around and saw them.

All of *this* is why electronic cigarettes don't break smoking bans. By all means, go ahead and boycott businesses that allow these to be used on their premises, but know that you're doing it out of nothing more than sheer self-righteousness.

Posted by whatisjustice (anonymous) on June 15, 2009 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just so you know, Roger, marijuana for medicinal purposes comes in the form of a pill. No smoking would occur.

Posted by krakkan (anonymous) on June 15, 2009 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is pure opinion from a very ignorant individual. Wanna check out an E-cig go to http://www.truesmoker.com we have the best E-cig available in the US. Steer away from this nonsense and check out what everyone is talking about and let this guy be a miserable human being by himself.

Peace,

TS

Posted by trifid (anonymous) on June 15, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's Reefer Madness, Nicotine Paranoia,....... and embarrasing that citizens of this country can be this ignorant, and then invent boogie-men to detract from real problems.

Posted by Kate51 (anonymous) on June 15, 2009 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"a female smoking a cigarette that wasn’t a cigarette, it was an electronic smoking device. It didn’t break the state smoking ban because it didn’t have carcinogens that contain nicotine".......
Who proofread this? Doesn't matter, someone should have done some research before printing such a skewed view of truth. A "female" smoking...was she not a lady?
"it didn't have carcinogens that contain nicotine"? My goodness, that was a brilliant statement. Tobacco cigarettes contain carcinogens, nicotine, of course, IS NOT ONE. The carcinogens come from all the other components, and nicotine is added to the components. An electronic cigarette does not "smoke", the VAPOR you see comes from atomized water plus Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin, which are of course approved by our FDA. These substances are found in many products you use everyday, including face creams, soaps, toothpaste, and many Medicinal products (pharmaceuticals). With the aid of my e-cigarette, and a little liquid with a user-chosen strength of nicotine, I stopped 44 years of smoking tobacco cigarettes. I for one feel as though I have been lifted out of a very pronounced dance with death, which after many tries and failures could not get out of, without suffering from deep depression and panic/anxiety attacks. I propose that if your Grandmother asked you to help her you probably would have locked her away in a closet. Your rhetoric in the article was quite telling, a "female" "smoking": not a good start for an informed, impartial, relevant report. You blew it with your first sentence. And managed to pronounce smokers as something less than human. And managed to provide editorial comment without facts, as well. Shameful way to portray journalism.

Posted by Electric_Cigarettes (anonymous) on June 22, 2009 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In order for you to understand better how electronic cigarettes work, I have found this really good video. It shows all of the parts and what they are and how they work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7IdW45p5...

Posted by mstiff (anonymous) on June 26, 2009 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Talk about being narrow minded and hateful! I'd say you sound like an ex-smoker to me, but that would be giving ex-smoikers everywhere a bad rap.
You sir, have some serious issues to deal with, but while you are, don't take it out on the rest of us.
I am a smoker and yes I am trying to quit.
My doctor and I went through the entire list, Welbutrin, Chantix, Et Al. have one serious side effect: seizures.
While I am trying to quit, I am also an epileptic and do not feel like going through that again and again. I was already having 5 gran mal seizures a day.
I tried patches and spent more time in the bathroom vomitting than I did at my desk at work. At home my kids knew where to find me,,, in the bathroom hugging the commode.
It turned out I am allergic to the drug they use for the transdermal delivery.
I couldn't sleep because my guts were so tied up in knots from the patches, I finally found the DSE801 Electronic Cigarette and have cut my smoking from a carton a week to about a pack a week in just three weeks. The device has been a God send. This is a prime example of technology solving one of mankind's problems: How to truly help people quit smoking, instead of just berating them for being smokers.
When you decide to stop being so narrow minded as to think your opinion actually matters in the world, you will have finally grown up.
And yes, when my father was dying of bone cancer I did have him in my home smelling the place up with marijuana smoke. Unlike the simpleton you are, I was willing to do that in order to ease his suffering.
No, he had never been a smoker, he died of cancer that he contracted while in service to this country.
It was the only thing that would alleviate his pain and suffering without making him comatose.
We enjoyed having him conscious during his final days, before he went on his last great adventure from which we knew he would never return.
So stop being self center, NO ONE person is the belly button of the world.
And by the way, my uncle Bill never smoked, worked in an office where they had never allowed smoking, so he was never exposed to the thoretical 'second hand smoke'.
He died of lung cancer anyway, painfully and in a drug-induced in a coma unable to talk with his loved ones, because marijuana was 'illegal' he refused it, even on his death bed. Fortunately, his younger brother (my father) was more open-minded.
Ric Glass
[signed]

Posted by marlin (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To: Roger Fink, master of the anti-smoking NAZI's.

Read this first, then call yourself a church member? http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hi...

You are a silly and pathetic little person, similar to Hitler in a lot of ways as you can see from the link.

Since when is it "your" church? No matter what religion or church you go to, it is NOT your church. Maybe you go to church, but you are missing the point and are obviously as lost as a goose in the fog.

You lack education and prove this fact every time you open your mouth or type a word.

Proverbs 10:21
The lips of the righteous nourish many, but fools die for lack of judgment.

There you go, do you understand that?

Proverbs 12:23
A prudent man keeps his knowledge to himself, but the heart of fools blurts out folly.
What about that?

Proverbs 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly.

These are just a few that describs you. There are 138 references to "fools" in the Bible, and you seem to fit the bill on everyone of them so far.

Stop speaking when you have no clue as to what you are talking about, and I suggest that you get your heart right, or your eternal reservations will be a smoking one.

Posted by Maytee (anonymous) on July 3, 2009 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Roger Fink: With someone with such a grumpy hateful attitude such as the one you possess, I am quite certain that even the non-e-cig smokers would be glad to get rid of you.

I can imagine the patrons of said restaurants and pancake breakfasts asking e-cig smokers to come out for meals and gatherings just to ensure you would not stay.

So, just hurumph yourself back to your car, drive home, and stare at four walls all by your lonesome because you happen to be a tiny, petty little man with no compassion or kindness in your body. After all, it isn't as if you can complain about second-hand smoke now. That's one argument down the toilet!

Congrats to those who have to tolerate this man. Bring your e-cigs with fresh batteriess, fresh liquid, and fully charged e-cigs then inhale to your heart's content because Roger won't be there.