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In abuse case, lawyer questions police methods
Published Friday, May 29, 2009
Brianna Broitzman
Was it an interview or an interrogation? And when does it become necessary to issue a Miranda warning?
Those were the questions that surfaced Friday during the first day of testimony in the contested omnibus hearing for 19-year-old Brianna Broitzman, one of two young women charged as an adult in the case of alleged abuse at Good Samaritan Society of Albert Lea.
Broitzman, who faces 11 charges ranging from fifth-degree assault to criminal abuse by a caregiver and mandatory failure to report suspected abuse, appeared with her lawyer, Larry Maus, for what turned into four hours of testimony and questioning from two witnesses — the two law enforcement officers who investigated the case locally.
Throughout questioning, Maus questioned the constitutionality of his client’s statements to investigators.
He argued that Deb Flatness, a detective with the Albert Lea Police Department, and Bob Kindler, an investigator with the Freeborn County Sheriff’s Office, should have formally told Broitzman while a camera recorded that her questioning was voluntary and of her rights to an attorney. The interview was May 6, 2008.
Maus also questioned some of the statements made by Kindler to Broitzman, describing them as “threats, promises or coercion.”
He said if the court rules there was no necessity for a Miranda warning or cautionary warning, the defense will fight that Broitzman’s statements were involuntary, or the product of “coercion and manipulation.”
If Broitzman’s first statements are ruled as unconstitutionally obtained, then her second statements to Minnesota Department of Health investigators would also be tainted, he said.
The crux of his arguments centered around whether the questioning was done in an in-custody setting, he said, noting he thinks Broitzman was deprived of her protection under both the 5th and 6th amendments.
During the hearing Friday, a transcript and DVD recording of Broitzman’s interview with Flatness and Kindler was submitted as evidence.
Both Maus and Freeborn County Attorney Craig Nelson asked Flatness and Kindler about the events that led up to and surrounded the interview.
Charges in the case came in December after an investigation into allegations of abuse by the Police Department, the Sheriff’s Office and the Minnesota Department of Health.
Details of the allegations, however, surfaced last August after the release of the Department of Health’s report. It concluded four teenagers were involved in verbal, sexual and emotional abuse of 15 residents at the nursing home in Albert Lea. The residents suffered from mental degradation conditions such as Alzheimer’s disease and dementia.
Flatness’ testimony
Flatness — who has worked as a late-night patrol officer with the Police Department for 8 1/2 years and as a detective for 3 1/2 years — said she first got involved with the alleged abuse case on May 4, 2008, a Sunday, after she received a voicemail from Lt. J.D. Carlson with the department.
When she arrived at the Law Enforcement Center that evening, Carlson gave her a copy of the initial call for service and the initial report of the responding officer.
She said after reading through it, she grabbed a notebook and her recorder and proceeded to Good Sam to meet with members of the administration, including Mark Anderson, administrator, Renae Peterson, director of nursing, Denise Andersen, social worker, and Dawn Thompson, human resources director. That was at about 5:30 p.m.
Information had been received by their staff that several employees had sexually, emotionally and physically abused several residents, she said. She listened as the administrators shared how they received that information, and she asked whether the residents could be interviewed.
Flatness said the administrators stated they had attempted to interview the residents themselves but the residents could not provide any information.
They had done head-to-toe searches of the residents and found only a few minor bruises, she said.
“They could not say that was a direct cause of abuse,” she said.
The two people who came forward with information were nursing assistants Stephanie Sipple and Morgan Walton.
Sipple brought the alleged abuse forward after she was terminated from her employment after a loud verbal argument with Broitzman at the facility while Sipple was off-duty.
Walton indicated Alicia Heilmann, Kaylee Nash, Ashton Larson and Broitzman were allegedly involved with the abuse.
After gathering this information, Flatness said, interviews were set up at the Law Enforcement Center with the help of Mark Anderson, and for the next two days — May 5 and 6, 2008 — interviews were conducted.
She noted she specifically asked the administrator to let the young women know when he was setting up the interviews that the questioning was voluntary and that they didn’t have to speak with her if they didn’t want to. They were welcome to bring a parent.
Maus questioned Flatness utilizing the administrator to set up the interviews and said it could not be determined whether Maus passed along the detective’s remarks.
Flatness said five interviews were conducted May 5, and seven were conducted May 6. During the May 6 interviews, Kindler assisted, out of an initial attempt to get a search warrant for cell phones. Peterson sat in on the interviews in the media room at the Law Enforcement Center.
Flatness said she escorted the interviewees from the Law Enforcement lobby to the conference room when it was their turn for questioning. The room had a table and chairs in it, and a camera that recorded the interviews.
Co-defendant Ashton Larson was interviewed before Broitzman, and Sipple was interviewed afterward.
Flatness said when she escorted Broitzman back for her interview, she explained the questioning was voluntary, asked if a family member was going to come in with her and asked about her age.
Maus pointed out this information was recorded on tape for several of the other young women, but not for Broitzman. He argued this should have been recorded for her, too.
He also noted that Broitzman had never been in a police station before and that she had only one citation for minor consumption on her record. It must have been intimidating for her, he said.
Flatness testified that while being questioned by officers can be stressful for some, it is not stressful for others.
Maus consistently referred to the questioning as an interrogation, while Flatness referred to it as an interview.
Flatness testified that an interview is when police ask questions to gain information, and an interrogation is usually a second interview with a person when officers present facts and evidence and offer reasons for what was done.
Flatness said she nor Kindler made threats to Broitzman during the interview; they just asked her to honestly tell the truth of what had taken place.
“I remember one or the other of us said we would relay whether she was cooperative,” she said.
She noted Broitzman’s story changed intermittedly.
Kindler’s testimony
Kindler, who has worked at the Sheriff’s Office since 1987 and as an investigator since 1992, said he got involved with the case at the request of Flatness, regarding obtaining a search warrant for the cell phones of the young women allegedly involved in abuse.
Kindler said it had been reported to Flatness that there had been pictures or video taken of residents.
It turned out that a search warrant was never obtained. Four young women — Rachel Munson, Kaylee Nash, Ashton Larson and Brianna Broitzman — turned over their phones voluntarily, he said.
He took those phones to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which was able to pull up the phones’ memories. The photos and videos on the phones were returned on a CD, he said.
Two photos were recovered that showed a bowel movement in a toilet, but otherwise no other pictures implying abuse were found. No incriminating pictures were found on Broitzman’s phone.
During the interviews, Flatness lead the questioning, while Kindler took mental and sometimes written notes throughout, he said. At the end, he asked additional questions about the training the young women received regarding vulnerable adults.
He said he did not make any threats or make any statements that were inappropriate to Broitzman.
Maus questioned Kindler’s remarks to Broitzman, which ended up being three pages transcribed, the lawyer noted.
Kindler said his comments that day were prompted by evasive answers from Broitzman and physiological changes in the young woman.
He said he has received training about physiological changes that could be indicative of someone who may be lying, but that are not fail-proof.
For Broitzman, these changes included an occasional cough and the reddening of the neck.
What’s next?
The hearing is expected to be continued when Jolene Bertelsen, investigator from the Minnesota Department of Health, is back from a leave of absence. She will be the third witness from the prosecution.
The date for that hearing has not set.
Maus said he is also considering putting Broitzman on the stand as a witness for the defense.
Wes Bledsoe, the founder and president of a nationally known watchdog group for nursing homes, sat with many of the alleged victims’ families during the proceedings.
He said he does not think the contested omnibus hearing will have an ultimate effect on the charges against Broitzman.
He said the issue of the contested omnibus hearing is basically the defense saying the questioning was an interrogation, versus the police saying it was an interview where they were just trying to get information. Broitzman was never arrested and could have left at any time.
“Obviously the judge is the one who will make the decision,” Bledsoe said.
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Posted by troublesome4 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
im sick of this... there are people saying yes they did it and still not convicted? anyone who tries to defend them is wasting their time...
Posted by gardenmama (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It appears they may get off without even a slap on the wrist. Good grief.
Posted by wildthing (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Innocent Til Provin Guilty by a reasonable doubt. Not he said she said.
Posted by wingo (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess to some people like wildthing it doesn't matter that someone admits to what they did and then decides oh, I guess I will change that statement now.
My heart and prayers still go out to the true victims and their families in this awful case.
Justice is blind, SO TRUE, SO TRUE!!!
Posted by OldTrojan (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The article states that Broitzman has had a citation for minor consumption. Are there any claims that alcohol was involved during the times of the alleged abuse?
Posted by troublesome4 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
shes like a big time drinker... everyone knows that i wouldnt be surprised if she was drunk in court...
Posted by nisperos (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good reporting Sarah! Thanks for all the details; names, background of investigators, attorney comments, etc. Kudos! Please keep up with the "blow by blow". It's interesting and appreciated.
Positive thoughts of strength and support to the families of the victims.
Posted by policemisconduct (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Police will commit crimes to solve crimes. If one of those girls would have tried to walk away from what the police say was an interview, they would have slammed them to the ground and handcuffed them. NO INTERVIEW INVOLVED, NOT FREE TO LEAVE! Still I feel for the poor elderly involved. The Albert Lea Police Department in Freeborn County MN are trained to commit illegal activity. Sad but true.
Posted by hal0smom (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They are looking for loopholes. Everyone knows they did it. Did the victims have a lawyer looking for loopholes to protect them from the disgusting abuse perpetrated on them? Maybe the attorney should read the states report and imagine it was his own mother or father in that situation. Those girls were hired to care for people who could not care for themselves. The victims were someone's mother, sister, brother, father, grandparent. Someday, those girls too, and thier families will need to be cared for by others. Is this the kind of treatment they expect? They know they have done wrong, they should plead guilty and face the consequences. No one forced them to commit the crime. Maybe thier punishment should be to be treated just the way they treated others? What they did was disgusting, wrong and shameful. They know it, thier families know it, the lawyers know it, the victims know it, and we all know it. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families. And if these girls get off, they have been victimized yet again.
Posted by lmr2427 (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How about a lie detector test? i havent heard any mention of giving one of those.
Posted by portiajules (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
so sad that my hometown is in the news everywhere for this....and that more then likely the abusers will get away with it...law enforcement try to serve and protect...and then they get this thrown at them..who was protecting the elderly when the horrible things were going on..where were the lawyers then???
Posted by lulu (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Get over it already, I'm ashamed of this community, maybe the law enforcement should of done their jobs more accurate, this is big scam, Morgan you always have been a liar, and a big drama queen, tell the truth!!!!!!!
Posted by Me2 (anonymous) on September 12, 2009 at 7:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
policemisconduct-- Your posts have nothing more than personal vendetta written all over them. Feel free to check out the virtually one track theme of cop bashing by clicking on his username. So telling.
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